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Post by bob0627 on Jul 20, 2013 8:23:24 GMT -5
There is NO conspiracy theory AT ALL, except the one government spews and you parrot endlessly, there's only TRUTH and that's the ONLY THING that counts. And that's what survivors, the families of those who died and all intelligent people who care want, the TRUTH, not government's version, media's version, your version or anyone else's version.
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Post by shred on Jul 20, 2013 11:06:44 GMT -5
I am telling you the truth as supported by the experts John Dowling, Professor Zdenek Bazant (Northwestern University), Professor Colin Bailey (University of Manchester), Professor Tim Wilkinson (University of Sydney), Dr Keith Seffen (Cambridge University).
I don't care what your government says, I listen to the physics and the physics say structural damage + fire brought down the towers.
Bazant's paper, Keith Seffen's paper, and many other papers written by experts prove structural damage + fire was enough to destroy the towers and the structural damage and fire would have destroyed any demolition charges upon impact. The towers didn't collapse instantly, they burned and weakened before collapsing, this is consistent with the damage the planes inflicted.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 20, 2013 11:33:56 GMT -5
"I am telling you the truth"
Yes, I'm fully aware what your "truth" is all about. Like I said, truth speaks for itself, you don't speak for truth.
"I don't care what your government says"
So says the government parrot. There is not one thing you say that's different than what government says about 9/11.
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Post by shred on Jul 20, 2013 11:47:32 GMT -5
The Bush Government was disgusting, but 9/11 was not an inside job no matter how deeply conspiracy theorists wish it to have been.
Islamic terrorists attacked your nation. I know you wish there was no threat from Islamists (I wish there wasn't) but there is.
Forget the conspiracy theories for a moment, look at the facts about steel in fire. The twin tower collapses are a classic example of steel losing strength in fire.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 20, 2013 11:52:35 GMT -5
"Forget the conspiracy theories for a moment"
Why? Because you say so? There's only ONE Conspiracy Theory that I'll never forget, it's the one fed to the world by the US government and its parrots, that would be someone just like you.
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Post by shred on Jul 20, 2013 11:57:45 GMT -5
The common understanding that 19 Muslims did it isn't a conspiracy theory Bob it's historical fact, 19 Muslims really did it.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 20, 2013 12:19:40 GMT -5
Truth is NOT a "common understanding". Whether 19 Muslims, more or less or none had anything to do with 9/11 is NOT the entire truth about 9/11.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 17:49:05 GMT -5
"We hold THESE truths to be self-evident."
Yes, meaning truth is self-evident and irrefutable. Truth never changes, lies always do. "Although, I would also say that we DO have a puppet media, but not one controlled by the government, but rather one contolled by those who CONTROL the government."
I have no argument with that and I stand corrected. So then if you believe the above, why on earth would you accept what you've been fed by government as truth? Regardless that you say you haven't seen anything compelling enough to reconsider the official story, you already stated more than enough reason to compel you to consider that it can't be truth or at the very least that it can't ALL be true. And if that's the case, everything must be reconsidered because you don't have enough to be able to sort out truth from fiction. This is simple logic. I accept the logic that there may be much more to the 9/11 story than what we've been told thus far. BUT, like everyone else, I saw what I saw and if you were asking my professional opinion as to whether or not those buildings could have been taken down by crashing large airplanes in to them, my answer would be yes. Were the buildings constructed differently, had they had a concrete core, I would have said no. But let's not forget that terrorists attempted in 1993 to taken them down from the bottom up with explosives and failed. To use airplanes as human guided cruise missiles was a very crafty idea indeed. And say what you like about Mohammed Atta, but it takes real balls to fly a plane in to a building, killing yourself.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 20, 2013 17:59:46 GMT -5
"my professional opinion"
What profession is that?
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Post by shred on Jul 21, 2013 3:16:58 GMT -5
I don't think his profession is any of your business.
Btw, the south tower collapsed at a speed of 125 mph, if it had collapsed at freefall velocity it would have collapsed at 186mph. It was not even close to freefall speed.
In this video a bending moment clearly takes place in the columns around the impact floors, there's no chain of explosives and flashes prior to this collapse and the impact floors had been gutted by fire so couldn't have had explosives in (because the impact of the airliner would have triggered any detonators).
Turn your sound up as high as it will go and listen.
We're talking about the failure of load bearing columns which had gone from being straight to being concave.
Video evidence of bowing visible at 2.28 in that video. Person filming this video mentions that he could feel the heat from ground level.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 21, 2013 8:48:01 GMT -5
"I don't think his profession is any of your business."
I think he can speak for himself, don't you? He hasn't designated you as his personal mouthpiece, has he?
And since he hasn't answered, I would assume it's really not his "professional" opinion, it's merely his personal opinion.
"the south tower collapsed at a speed of 125 mph, if it had collapsed at freefall velocity it would have collapsed at 186mph."
And you based this on?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 9:10:51 GMT -5
Dear Ones, you are talking about history, which we cannot go back and change. Here's a question for you: What are you doing today to make this a better country? How about in your own county, or city, or town? Do you go to the clean-up the rivers? Pick up trash, attend school board meetings, city council meetings...what do YOU do?
Anyone can sit and post to a board. But relevant=current in this fast-paced world. Not old conspiracy theories.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 21, 2013 9:23:58 GMT -5
"Here's a question for you: What are you doing today to make this a better country? How about in your own county, or city, or town? Do you go to the clean-up the rivers? Pick up trash, attend school board meetings, city council meetings...what do YOU do?"
What do you do?
"Anyone can sit and post to a board."
Which what you just did.
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Post by shred on Jul 21, 2013 9:30:54 GMT -5
"the south tower collapsed at a speed of 125 mph, if it had collapsed at freefall velocity it would have collapsed at 186mph."And you based this on? It's 125mph collapse is recorded historical fact, look it up 'investigator'. For its height, to fall freefall it would have had to fall at 186mph to reach freefall velocity. nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/TechnicalNotes/NIST.TN.1795.pdf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 9:42:49 GMT -5
Dear Bob,
Yep I did post. It's my job to make people think about their contributions to America!
Noticed you didn't answer my question about what you are going to do today...
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 21, 2013 9:56:08 GMT -5
"It's my job to make people think about their contributions to America!"
How much does it pay?
"Noticed you didn't answer my question about what you are going to do today..."
Yeah I noticed that too as well that you didn't answer mine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 10:05:00 GMT -5
"my professional opinion"What profession is that? Bob, let's be honest. I could tell you that I hold a PhD in Civil Engineering and so long as I didn't adhere to your favored story of "controlled demolition" you would find some way to demonize me.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 21, 2013 10:15:07 GMT -5
"my professional opinion"What profession is that? Bob, let's be honest. I could tell you that I hold a PhD in Civil Engineering and so long as I didn't adhere to your favored story of "controlled demolition" you would find some way to demonize me. You could but you didn't and your ASSumption is based on nothing, so my point as to your personal and not professional opinion stands. I don't have ANY favored "story" about 9/11. Truth is not a "favored story" and that's all I'm looking for, whatever that may be.
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Post by shred on Jul 21, 2013 11:05:54 GMT -5
You do have a favoured story about 9/11 and so far you've rejected all evidence that contradicts your favoured story.
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