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Post by shred on Jul 6, 2013 14:00:32 GMT -5
Richard, it's important to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories because terrorists killed nearly 3000 people and I don't like liars profiting from conspiracy theories which excuse those terrorists. It's important because those terrorists nearly killed my best friends uncle, he was hit by debris from WTC2 as he filmed this:
Bob says he posts facts, well, I'm sorry Bob but you don't post facts, you post whatever outright lies, half truths, misquotes and mistakes the 9/11 'truth' movement can feed you.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 7, 2013 11:11:04 GMT -5
Richard, it's important to debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories because terrorists killed nearly 3000 people and I don't like liars profiting from conspiracy theories which excuse those terrorists. It's important because those terrorists nearly killed my best friends uncle, he was hit by debris from WTC2 as he filmed this: Bob says he posts facts, well, I'm sorry Bob but you don't post facts, you post whatever outright lies, half truths, misquotes and mistakes the 9/11 'truth' movement can feed you. Your friend's uncle did NOT film the video you posted, why are you lying? Your title should be changed to "Why Silencing Those Who Question the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory is Important", it would be a truthful title. But if your title is what you really mean, then why aren't you debunking the official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory? After all LIARS have made enormous profits using the official 9/11 conspiracy theory as pretext.
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Post by shred on Jul 7, 2013 16:45:53 GMT -5
Paul Berriff was in New York making a documentary about the NYFD for Channel 5 TV, he has previously made other documentaries including “Rescue”, during the making of that series he filmed the Piper Alpha disaster and survived the crash of an RAF Westland Sea King SAR helicopter in the Scottish Highlands.
His sister Barbara sometimes used to take me to school, his niece Sally was in my class, she's my oldest and best friend. On the morning of 11th Sept 2001 Paul was called to the World Trade Centre and asked to go into WTC2 to go up parallel with the impact floors of WTC1 to do some filming. He was injured by debris from the collapse of WTC2 and his collarbone was broken, so Bob, shut your gob and pay attention. It's time you changed the record.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 7, 2013 21:17:18 GMT -5
Paul Berriff was in New York making a documentary about the NYFD for Channel 5 TV, he has previously made other documentaries including “Rescue”, during the making of that series he filmed the Piper Alpha disaster and survived the crash of an RAF Westland Sea King SAR helicopter in the Scottish Highlands. His sister Barbara sometimes used to take me to school, his niece Sally was in my class, she's my oldest and best friend. On the morning of 11th Sept 2001 Paul was called to the World Trade Centre and asked to go into WTC2 to go up parallel with the impact floors of WTC1 to do some filming. He was injured by debris from the collapse of WTC2 and his collarbone was broken, so Bob, shut your gob and pay attention. It's time you changed the record. Thanks for that information, if it's true I stand corrected. I asked you to post the video you claim your best bud's uncle made and you waited until now to post it (if it's true about your "best bud's uncle" uncle that is). You lie and make things up so $%#$@ing often it's become impossible to tell if what you post is true. In this case, it's only your claim, which can just as easily be a complete lie just as many of your claims are. Personally, it's irrelevant to me if that guy is really an acquaintance of yours or not, the only thing that matters is the video. Every piece of evidence is important. As to "shutting [my] gob" and "changing the record", I told you all along that's your agenda. That's exactly what you're hoping for and was your intent from your first post on 9/11. You're really quite transparent. It doesn't seem to be working, does it now DEAR? Are you really that scared of me?
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 2:09:27 GMT -5
You're the one who lies Bob, 'nanothermite' doctored videos, misrepresentation of the pentagon exit hole, misrepresentation and misquoting of eyewitnesses, all your lies are on here for all to see. Not only that you're prepared to spam and derail other people's threads with irrelevant bulls**t about 9/11. You have an enormous ego problem which will not allow you to accept that you're just as fallible as anyone and you've made a catastrophic error of judgement. You're wrong, and you're lying to save face. The best way you could save face is to admit you made a catastrophic error of judgement about 9/11. Paul Berriff was there. His collarbone was broken when debris hit him and he was nearly killed. The moment his collarbone was broken is the same moment his camera was hit and broke. This is the trailer of the documentary he made: This is his website. www.paulberriffproductions.comAfter 9/11 he was deeply traumatised and quit documentary making for a long time. This is him talking about his expertience: He does not mention being asked to go up into WTC2, (I got that information from my Mum who had been speaking to his Sister shortly after the attack, so I'm sorry for chinese whispers on that point), but he was most certainly there and his footage speaks for itself.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 7:37:20 GMT -5
"The best way you could save face is to admit you made a catastrophic error of judgement about 9/11."Save face? I should admit I "made a catastrophic error of judgement about 9/11" ? Did you just come home from the local pub? Are you drunk? "This is the trailer of the documentary he made:"Ok thanks, where's the actual documentary? "This is him talking about his expertience:"Thanks for that too. You said several times that he never heard any explosions, so you lied. At 1:18 into the video, he says: "There was a LOUD EXPLOSION behind me". So his testimony is crucial and I have never heard it, it wasn't in the 2+ hour video of eyewitness testimony about explosions that I posted and that you claim was "doctored". Are you posting a doctored video? Did someone doctor that video and make him look and sound like he said LOUD EXPLOSION fake one? Anyway, I will try to contact the ones who put together the 2+ hour video and see if they can edit it to include his testimony. I very much appreciate you posting that. See how important it is that you post whatever video you can on 9/11? Every once in a while, a gem comes out. That's why I asked you to post what your alleged bud's uncle has on the subject.
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Post by richardcavessa on Jul 8, 2013 12:19:05 GMT -5
not to mention the inflationary almost killed, in danger obviously, but compared to broken collarbone....akin to he tried to kill my (w) daddy! don't worry shredder, ur one of my favorite debunkers
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 12:48:33 GMT -5
There are no explosives detonating in Paul Berriff's footage, it's true that in the interview he uses the word explosion (in singular context) but he doesn't use it in the context of bomb, he doesn't describe bombs at all does he Bob ? He did not hear bombs.
He did not mean he heard a bomb or bombs. He also describes the sound of the collapse as like being chased by 747's.
Explosion does not always mean explosive. DOES IT BOB?
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 13:06:44 GMT -5
There are no explosives detonating in Paul Berriff's footage, it's true that in the interview he uses the word explosion (in singular context) but he doesn't use it in the context of bomb, he doesn't describe bombs at all does he Bob ? He did not hear bombs. He did not mean he heard a bomb or bombs. He also describes the sound of the collapse as like being chased by 747's. Explosion does not always mean explosive. DOES IT BOB? Sure fake one, explosion does not necessarily mean bombs. When did I ever say anything about bombs? Why are you trying yet again to obfuscate the point. He said EXPLOSION, it's as clear as day. So YOU LIED as you usually do quite often, you said several times in past posts that he never mentioned explosions.
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 14:47:20 GMT -5
You're misrepresenting the facts again Bob and it's getting quite a habit for you... You're the one arguing that it was an inside job controlled demolition via explosives.
I hadn't seen that particular interview with him until this morning and you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Nowhere in that interview does he suggest explosives were used to bring the towers down, nowhere in any of his footage are there any sounds of explosives or flashes from explosives.
As it happens, he's on BBC 2 tomorrow night with a new documentary called Fire in the Night, commemorating the 25th Anniversary of the Piper Alpha Disaster which he filmed during the making of his series "Rescue". He was on BBC Look North tonight talking about it.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 15:16:15 GMT -5
"I hadn't seen that particular interview with him until this morning and you're making a mountain out of a molehill."
You claimed months ago he was there, made a video and said he never heard any explosions. I'm not making this up, your posts are in this forum. So you LIED. I don't expect you to admit you LIED and you don't need to. It's an irrefutable FACT. But like I said, this is far from the first time you lied, it's a pathological habit with you.
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 15:20:00 GMT -5
So ? He never heard any explosives going off and he hasn't said explosives were going off so shut up Bob you're really clutching at straws now.
Not one piece of detcord, nor one blasting cap or residue of high explosive was found in the debris, nor are there the sounds of any or the visual signs of explosive flashes present in any legit footage.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 15:31:47 GMT -5
"He never heard any explosives going off"
He heard an EXPLOSION, you posted the video, you LIED, plain and simple. Why are you trying to obfuscate the fact that you LIED?
"shut up Bob"
Yeah that would be really convenient for you. That way you meet your original agenda and you can lie to your heart's content about 9/11 and have no one to expose your lies.
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 15:41:56 GMT -5
I didn't lie. He didn't hear explosives. You're the one who lies, your latest lie was to say that ASCE never peer reviewed the Bazant paper. Get a life loser.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 15:52:32 GMT -5
"I didn't lie. He didn't hear explosives."
No one hears explosives until they explode. Who are you trying to fool with your nonsense?
"You're the one who lies, your latest lie was to say that ASCE never peer reviewed the Bazant paper."
It's not a lie, you never showed it was ever peer reviewed, you just made that up. I will be more than happy to apologize if you can produce any evidence that his paper was really peer reviewed. Not that it really matters whether or not it was. There's more than enough evidence that his paper, written a few weeks after 9/11 is now totally irrelevant. In fact, there are quite a few other papers that have addressed Bazant's paper.
"Get a life loser."
Awww poor Shred got caught with his pants down so you want to resort to childish s**t.
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 17:41:44 GMT -5
Did he say he heard a chain of demolitions charges going off ? Did he say he saw flashes from a chain of demolitions charges going off ? Did he say he supports the so called 9/11 'truth' movement ?
NO. Do you understand ? There were no demolitions charges.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 17:49:37 GMT -5
Did he say he heard a chain of demolitions charges going off ? Did he say he saw flashes from a chain of demolitions charges going off ? Did he say he supports the so called 9/11 'truth' movement ? NO. Do you understand ? There were no demolitions charges. Are you trying to be a comedian or just trying to cover up your lies? Either way, it isn't working.
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Post by shred on Jul 8, 2013 17:54:11 GMT -5
I haven't lied he didn't say he heard a chain of explosions he described hearing ONE explosion, what he heard was the bang from the upper block falling downwards due to bending moment in the impact floors.
Now back to your lies. Your latest one denying that Bazant & Zhou's paper on the fall of the WTC's had been peer reviewed in the journal ASCE is quite a whopper. Care to admit that you were wrong (as usual) ?
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 8, 2013 20:09:47 GMT -5
"I haven't lied he didn't say he heard a chain of explosions he described hearing ONE explosion, what he heard was the bang from the upper block falling downwards due to bending moment in the impact floors."
Stick to your day job, comedy is not one of your skills, neither is lying. You can't hide the FACT that he said he heard an EXPLOSION and that you claimed he said he never heard any EXPLOSION, no matter how many excuses you try to post. You posted all that on your very own.
"Now back to your lies. Your latest one denying that Bazant & Zhou's paper on the fall of the WTC's had been peer reviewed in the journal ASCE is quite a whopper. Care to admit that you were wrong (as usual) ?"
The onus is on you to prove it if you can. I asked you to do that and if you were successful, I would certainly apologize and admit I'm wrong but only because I've never seen any evidence that his paper was peer reviewed, not because I know it wasn't, I don't know, show me. So what I'm saying is not a "whopper" or even a lie, it's the absolute truth.
So instead, you want me to admit I'm wrong when you have never provided any proof. Lying and making things up is your M.O., not mine. I can back up every single thing I post. Conversely, your lies and fabrications have been exposed numerous times.
Note I asked you for proof and you still have not provided any. So who's full of s**t yet again exactly?
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Post by shred on Jul 9, 2013 2:37:23 GMT -5
Yes, he did say explosion but did not say explosions or explosives and was not talking about explosives. The crucial thing is this, his footage features sound and does not sound (or look) anything like a controlled demolition, there's no chain of bombs going off. Compare Paul's footage of WTC2 to the JL Hudson controlled demolition:
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 9, 2013 7:20:53 GMT -5
Still dancing? You can't lie your way out of your lies.
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Post by shred on Jul 9, 2013 8:14:10 GMT -5
You're the liar (you post doctored vids, pentagon lies, lies about conspiracy papers, pretending fakes are experts, claiming the towers were brought down by nanothermite, lying about freefall, lying and saying Bazant's paper wasn't peer reviewed by ASCE and not apologising when you were caught with your pants on fire).
Paul Berriff's footage speaks for itself. No demolition charges can be heard. He didn't hear any exploding bombs at all DID HE? So what I said was true, albeit misunderstood by you because you're stupid enough to think that an obviously doctored video of WTC7 is genuine and stupid enough to believe that NanoThermite is a high explosive. The whole reason the conspiracy theorists chose to allege thermitic materials in their conspiracy theories is that thermites do NOT go bang, they do not cut by explosion, they burn and melt.
Paul did not hear a chain of explosives go off, DID HE? His camera & microphone did not film or hear a chain of explosives go off? Did he?
The cameras and mics recording WTC7's collapse did not record explosives going off either did they?
Cameras filming WTC7 got footage of structural damage, thick smoke and fire, didn't they?
You got caught lying about the Pentagon hole, didn't you?
Paul Berriff's footage of 2 disproves controled demolition, doesn't it Bob (you LIAR)?
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 9, 2013 8:27:21 GMT -5
"You're the liar (you post doctored vids, pentagon lies, lies about conspiracy papers, pretending fakes are experts, claiming the towers were brought down by nanothermite, lying about freefall, lying and saying Bazant's paper wasn't peer reviewed by ASCE and not apologising when you were caught with your pants on fire)."
Deflecting by lying further does not change your lie.
"Paul Berriff's footage speaks for itself."
Exactly, the video exposed your LIE.
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Post by shred on Jul 9, 2013 17:39:12 GMT -5
The video PROVES my point that no demolition charges were going off at all.
I said he didn't hear any sequence of explosives nor did he hear any flashes. Stop twisting my words. Explosion doesn't mean explosives.
Duff McKagan's pancreas exploded during his tour with Guns & Roses did he swallow a demolition charge ? There's a difference between "explosion" and "explosive" that seems to be too complicated for you to understand.
No detcord no blasting caps no flashes no RDX/ Semtex / Torpex / Dynamite = no evidence of controlled demolition at all. Video footage doesn't feature any evidence of controlled demolition. Paul Berriff hasn't said WTC2 was a controlled demolition has he ?
Stop being so pathetic Bob get a grip and get a life. You were fooled by Gage and his mob. Move on from your mistakes.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 9, 2013 17:55:23 GMT -5
"The video PROVES my point"
It proves you LIED no matter how much you want to dance.
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Post by shred on Jul 10, 2013 15:32:50 GMT -5
No you liar, his video proves you're talking out of your unpleasantly fragrant arse old chum.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 10, 2013 16:33:32 GMT -5
No you liar, his video proves you're talking out of your unpleasantly fragrant arse old chum. Are you getting nasty because you were caught lying and you just can't seem to worm your way out of it no matter how much you want to play word games? I understand it's quite frustrating. Try the correct video at 1:18, the one YOU posted:
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Post by shred on Jul 10, 2013 18:53:17 GMT -5
Explosion doesn't mean explosives thicko. The bang he heard came from floors hitting floors. His camera was running filming the footage I showed you so where were the explosive charges eh Bob?
Stop lying you f***ing fraud.
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Post by bob0627 on Jul 10, 2013 22:42:57 GMT -5
Explosion doesn't mean explosives thicko. The bang he heard came from floors hitting floors. His camera was running filming the footage I showed you so where were the explosive charges eh Bob? Stop lying you f***ing fraud. Getting really frustrated are you fake one? You're about to step over the line so I suggest you watch what you post. You claimed he never heard any explosions and YOU posted the video where he says he heard an explosion before the tower collapsed so what kind of bulls**t are you trying to peddle? It's not working for you, nothing will, trust me on this child.
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Post by shred on Jul 11, 2013 14:30:34 GMT -5
You're the fake. I said Paul Berriff didn't hear any explosive charges going off and you know damn well there weren't any and his footage proves what I'm saying so foxtrot oscar dear.
You're the bulls**t merchant dear. It must hurt you that I will not buy your wares.
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