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Post by shred on May 12, 2013 16:24:56 GMT -5
Though 9/11 'truthers' claim to have found evidence of iron rich samples of Nano thermite in dust samples from the WTC's there is no real evidence of such, there are no explosive residues such as RDX or Semtex, there are no blasting caps no evidence at all of explosives. No genuine footage features any sounds of explosive charges going off and no eyewitnesses ever heard any sequence of explosive charges in the seconds before global collapse of any WTC building.
ae911'truth' claim to have 2000+ experts, but when one looks at their credentials, the crucial experts: Civil Engineers metallurgists and structural fire engineers are not contributors to their conspiracy theories. Their methods are shoddy and ignore the damage, the fires, the metallurgical facts and bending moment evidence. I'd have expected at least one of them to know that metals are elastic and expand when hot and contract when cold. I'd have expected at least one of them to know that hot metal is weaker than cold metal. I'd have thought at least one of them would have had something to say about young's modulus, but no, they depend on previous conspiracy theorists such as David Ray Griffin (a theologian and philosopher not an engineer).
Doug Plumb of AE 9/11 liars supports the mini nuke theories of Bill Deagle and says there is no greater expert than Dr Judy Wood (a dental engineer by trade she designs false teeth), Wood believes SDI satellites shot lasers at the WTC buildings and claims the planes were holograms.
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Post by shred on May 12, 2013 16:27:54 GMT -5
Richard Gage claimed that the smoke from WTC7 was actually from WTC6 and had been caught by a negative pressure inversion. Steve Spak's footage of WTC7's south side fires proves that the smoke was billowing out of WTC7 itself. Gage's lie was exposed on the BBC's documentary Conspiracy Files: The 3rd Tower.
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Post by bob0627 on May 13, 2013 8:36:10 GMT -5
"The fraud of ae911liars revealed"
Who are "ae911liars"? I never heard of these.
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Post by shred on May 13, 2013 12:28:23 GMT -5
It's a more appropriate name for Richard Gage's bunch of conmen.
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Post by bob0627 on May 13, 2013 12:52:24 GMT -5
It's a more appropriate name for Richard Gage's bunch of conmen. Making up names because you disagree only makes you sound very childish. If you don't like or agree with what's been researched, revealed and disseminated, don't read it. There's no reason to resort to juvenile name calling.
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Post by shred on May 13, 2013 15:30:17 GMT -5
No sounds of a chain of explosions before collapse, no residues of RDX in the debris, no residues of C4, PETN, Semtex, gelignite / dynamite, face it friend, these collapses were not controlled they were natural, anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you just like the person who made the fake youtube vid of WTC7 that you got fooled by.
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Post by bob0627 on May 13, 2013 16:24:46 GMT -5
Sorry you're misinformed, I haven't been fooled by anything or anyone, especially not by government. Even if the video you believe is doctored didn't exist, there's so much more evidence, including all the other videos and photos that clearly show the 3 buildings did not collapse naturally. And really, even if I never heard of AE911Truth and was just asked to look carefully at all 3 collapses, especially the North Tower collapse in slow motion, it would be so obvious these are not natural collapses. David Chandler though, does an amazing job going over the detail of the North Tower collapse in a loop, in slow motion and analyzing it in detail.
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Post by shred on May 14, 2013 1:16:10 GMT -5
Nope mate, you've been misinformed. There is NO evidence as to what you are claiming. All collapses are natural bending moment induced gravity driven collapses which IF YOU LOOK and listen closely you'll see. Every genuine structural, civil and fire engineer knows this. Read the NIST reports they are not lying. Richard Gage and his AE911liars are lying. Steven E Jones is lying about the cause. Criticism of Jones theories from within BYU Physics Dept:
David Ray Griffin is lying (he's not even got any relevant qualifications). These attacks occurred on camera, on microphone, in front of thousands of eyewitnesses, buildings in which thousands of people worked were hit and destroyed. There's no way to covertly get workers into an office building to start preparing it for demolition without people noticing. There's not even a blasting charge on the market big enough to cut a column of the size used in the twin towers. If one was to be custom manufactured, it is claimed by expert Mark Loizeaux that it would require a fork lift truck to carry it. Thermites including nanothermites don't pack enough punch (as Jesse Ventura's own research proves).
Structural damage, weakening by fire, viscoplastic creep and bending moments are the key factors staring you in the face but you keep ignoring the facts.
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Post by bob0627 on May 14, 2013 7:56:13 GMT -5
Yes I know, we've been through this ad nauseum, NIST and the US government (and you of course) are as honest as the day is long and over 2,000 experts are all liars. Right.
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Post by shred on May 14, 2013 12:24:15 GMT -5
NIST may be US Government employed but so are the US Postal service, the US Police, the US Fire services.
NIST's findings are correct mate get over it.
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Post by bob0627 on May 14, 2013 12:38:15 GMT -5
"NIST may be US Government employed but so are the US Postal service, the US Police, the US Fire services."
There is no such thing as US Police or US Fire services. Even if there was, what does that have to do with anything?
"NIST's findings are correct mate get over it."
NIST published a theory, one that has no basis in fact, evidence or logic and one that was contradicted by NIST itself. What am I supposed to "get over"?
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Post by shred on May 15, 2013 12:02:18 GMT -5
America has Police and Fire services, collectively they're all public services paid by taxpayers and managed by government are they not ?
NIST is a public service owned by your Government. They have been completely open with their investigations and shared their research with the steel & construction industries. NIST's studies were not set up to debunk silly controlled demolition theories they were set up for serious sensible people to give new guidelines to the steel industry to make steel buildings safer, to prevent any other collapses.
Not one explosion can be heard in the moments before any of the three towers collapsed. You said there was a chain of explosions in the moments before WTC7 collapsed. Raw video footage proves you wrong. Every time you're proven wrong you change the subject and go round and round and round in circles.
Wake up my friend. The so called 'truthers' are the liars. They have no evidence of controlled demolition, no RDX residues, no blasting cap remnants, no detcord remnants, no genuine video evidence with unmistakable flashes and bangs, they have nothing. All they have to offer you is a wild goose chase.
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Post by bob0627 on May 15, 2013 14:27:34 GMT -5
"America has Police and Fire services, collectively they're all public services paid by taxpayers and managed by government are they not ?"Yes but when you use US in front of the service, it's generally attributed to the federal government and the services you describe are generally via county or municipal (local) governments. "NIST is a public service owned by your Government. They have been completely open with their investigations"Why are you deliberately making things up when you well know that's a lie. NIST not only never did any investigation but they turned down FIOA requests to release materials they used in their research and conclusions citing that doing so would "endanger public safety". This is not something you don't know anything about, this is DOCUMENTED and I posted it several times. "NIST's studies were not set up to debunk silly controlled demolition theories they were set up for serious sensible people to give new guidelines to the steel industry to make steel buildings safer, to prevent any other collapses."NIST's first objective was to "Determine why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft and why and how WTC 7 collapsed" (see www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/wtc_about.cfm). But NIST did no such thing. Instead, NIST came up with theories as to how the 3 buildings could have collapsed and stopped short of the collapses themselves. None of NIST's published guidelines were ever followed by anyone, that's how serious they were taken by the industry, including the insurance industry. "Not one explosion can be heard in the moments before any of the three towers collapsed."There were many accounts of explosions, some even before the first plane hit the first tower (see Barry Jennings account and William Rodriguez) and: "You said there was a chain of explosions in the moments before WTC7 collapsed."I posted a video, you didn't like it because it doesn't match the official story so you decided it was "doctored". "Every time you're proven wrong"
You never proved me wrong on anything. I haven't made any claims you can even prove me wrong with. I posted many things and posted my opinions. Opinions are never right or wrong, they're just opinions. "you change the subject and go round and round and round in circles."Trying to deflect what I said about you to me is just another one of your tired tactics. For example, I asked you that now you've acknowledged explosions why do you think in your opinion that NIST never investigated for explosions and explosives and you never answered, you just repeat your bulls**t as if I never asked you that question. And that's just one example, there are many, many more instances where I've asked you questions and you ignored them. "they have nothing"It's actually you who has nothing but lies, fabrications and your bulls**t tactics that are so transparent.
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Post by shred on Jun 1, 2013 12:59:46 GMT -5
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