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Post by psk836 on Sept 3, 2014 14:41:33 GMT -5
Written 50 years ago and still holds true today.
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is ‘needed’ before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ ‘interests,’ I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
Barry Goldwater, the original Tea Partier.
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Post by maxwell on Sept 3, 2014 14:46:31 GMT -5
"It's wonderful that we have so many religious people in our party, ... They need to leave their theologies in their churches." — Barry Goldwater
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Post by maxwell on Sept 3, 2014 14:52:13 GMT -5
"You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight." — Barry Goldwater
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Post by antisteroidforce on Sept 3, 2014 15:01:02 GMT -5
There is not a single Modern Day Liberal that can argue a single word of what Goldwater said. All they can do is attempt petty "Smears" (see above courtesy of Maxwell).
Modern Day Liberalism is a lie.
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Post by maxwell on Sept 3, 2014 15:06:20 GMT -5
There is not a single Modern Day Liberal that can argue a single word of what Goldwater said. All they can do is attempt petty "Smears" (see above courtesy of Maxwell). Modern Day Liberalism is a lie. Oh my how wrong you are ASF. There was no "smearing" at all. Those are actual quotes which I totally agree with. Barry Goldwater was a Republican when the GOP was an actual party that existed & not taken over by extremists. Would YOU argue with those statements that I posted? Sounds like you might. LOL. Enjoy: www.great-quotes.com/quotes/author/Barry/Goldwater
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Post by brookboy123 on Sept 3, 2014 15:09:51 GMT -5
Written 50 years ago and still holds true today.
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is ‘needed’ before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ ‘interests,’ I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
Barry Goldwater, the original Tea Partier. Barry Goldwater was a good US Senator.
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Post by shaniqua on Sept 3, 2014 15:10:23 GMT -5
There is not a single Modern Day Liberal that can argue a single word of what Goldwater said. All they can do is attempt petty "Smears" (see above courtesy of Maxwell). Modern Day Liberalism is a lie. Oh my how wrong you are ASF. There was no "smearing" at all. Those are actual quotes which I totally agree with. Barry Goldwater was a Republican when the GOP was an actual party that existed & not taken over by extremists. Would YOU argue with those statements that I posted? Sounds like you might. LOL. I agree! I agree! I agree! With the Goldwater quotes Max posted! All my family would agree. And the majority are old school Republicans...not a drop of tea in any of them.
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Post by thelion on Sept 3, 2014 15:10:17 GMT -5
There is not a single Modern Day Liberal that can argue a single word of what Goldwater said. All they can do is attempt petty "Smears" (see above courtesy of Maxwell). Modern Day Liberalism is a lie. So, quoting Goldwater's actual statements is 'smearing'. As suspected when you started this thread, you haven't got a clue what Goldwater actually stood for.
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Post by brookboy123 on Sept 3, 2014 15:10:17 GMT -5
"It's wonderful that we have so many religious people in our party, ... They need to leave their theologies in their churches." — Barry Goldwater Go, Barry, Go!
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Post by antisteroidforce on Sept 3, 2014 15:10:47 GMT -5
Again an Arrogant and Condescending Modern Day Liberal believes people are too stupid to understand what was really meant by the posts.
Such stellar emotion to; "Oh my how wrong you are."
Give him an Emmey folks.
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Post by dallasdimebags on Sept 3, 2014 15:11:38 GMT -5
Written 50 years ago and still holds true today.
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is ‘needed’ before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents’ ‘interests,’ I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can."
Barry Goldwater, the original Tea Partier. Goldwater-A smaller,less intrusive government conservative. Like me.
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Post by antisteroidforce on Sept 3, 2014 15:12:30 GMT -5
Look folks at all the Modern Day Liberals showing up with their Arrogance & Condescension!
Yup, no one can possibly read between the lines and know exactly was really meant as the Modern Day Liberal regurgitates.
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Post by shaniqua on Sept 3, 2014 15:18:15 GMT -5
Look folks at all the Modern Day Liberals showing up with their Arrogance & Condescension! Yup, no one can possibly read between the lines and know exactly was really meant as the Modern Day Liberal regurgitates. Wow! A conspiracy theory. Goldwater was speaking in code and today only TEABAGGERS know the secret code! Impressive!
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Post by brookboy123 on Sept 3, 2014 15:20:06 GMT -5
"You don't need to be straight to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight." — Barry Goldwater Senator Goldwater was appalled when Ronald Reagan sold the soul of the GOP to the likes of Falwell and Robertson. That's when I parted ways with the only political party of which I was a long-term member. We had a vibrant GOP in NY back then.....real conservatives, mostly centrists and a very influential liberal wing.
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Post by psk836 on Sept 3, 2014 15:21:50 GMT -5
Another Goldwater quote that holds true today, in regards to the 1964 election outcome:
“If I had to go by the media reports alone, I’d have voted against the sonofabitch, too.”
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Post by maxwell on Sept 3, 2014 15:25:02 GMT -5
Again an Arrogant and Condescending Modern Day Liberal believes people are too stupid to understand what was really meant by the posts. Such stellar emotion to; "Oh my how wrong you are." Give him an Emmey folks. LOL. Tell the class exactly what did Barry mean by this: Ban on Gays is Senseless Attempt to Stall the Inevitable By Barry M. Goldwater The following is a transcript of Barry Goldwater's commentary on the military gay ban that appeared this week in the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. After more than 50 years in the military and politics, I am still amazed to see how upset people can get over nothing. Lifting the ban on gays in the military isn't exactly nothing, but it's pretty damned close Everyone knows that gays have served honorably in the military since at least the time of Julius Caesar. They'll still be serving long after we're all dead and buried. That should not surprise anyone. But most Americans should be shocked to know that while the country's economy is going down the tubes, the military has wasted half a billion dollars over the past decade chasing down gays and running them out of the armed services. It's no great secret that military studies have proved again and again that there's no valid reason for keeping the ban on gays. Some thought gays were crasy, but then found that wasn't true. then they decided that gays were a security risk, but again the Department of Defense decided that wasn't so-in fact, one study by the Navy in 1956 that was never made public found gays to be good security risks. Even Larry Korb, President Reagan's man in charge of implementing the Pentagon ban on gays, now admits that it was a dumb idea. No wonder my friend Dick Cheney, secretary of defense under President Bush, called it "a bit of an old chestnut" When the facts lead to one conlusion, I say it's time to act, not to hide. The country and the military know that eventually the ban will be lifted. The only remaining questions are how much muck we will all be dragged through, and how many brave Americans like Tom Paniccia and Margarethe Cammermeyer will have their lives and careers destroyed in a senseless attempt to stall the inevitable. Some in congress think I'm wrong. They say we absolutely must continue to discriminate, or all hell will break loose. Who knows, they say, perhaps our soldiers may even take up arms against each other. Well, that's just stupid. Years ago, I was a lieutenant in charge of an all-black unit. Military leaders at the time believed that blacks lacked leadership potential - period. That seems ridiculous now, as it should. Now, each and every man and woman who serves this nation takes orders from a black man - our own Gen. Colin Powell. Nobody thought that blacks or women could ever be integrated into the military. Many thought that an all-volunteer force could never protect our national interest. Well, it has, and despite those who feared the worst - I among them - we are still the best and will continue to be. The point is that decisions are always a lot easier to make in hindsight. but we seldom have that luxury. That's why the future of our country depends on leadership, and that's what we need now. I served in the armed forces. I have flown more than 150 of the best fighter planes and bombers this country manufactured. I founded the Arizona National Guard. I chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. And I think it's high time to pull the curtains on this charade of policy. What should undermine our readiness would be a compromise policy like "Don't ask, don't tell." That compromise doesn't deal with the issue - it tries to hide it. We have wasted enough precious time, money and talent trying to persecute and pretend. It's time to stop burying our heads in the sand and denying reality for the sake of politics. It's time to deal with this straight on and be done with it. It's time to get on with more important business. The conservative movement, to which I subscribe, has as one of its basic tenets the belief that government should stay out of people's private lives. Government governs best when it governs least - and stays out of the impossible task of legislating morality. But legislating someone's version of morality is exactly what we do by perpetuating discrimination against gays. When you get down to it, no American able to serve should be allowed, much less given an excuse, not to serve his or her country. We need all our talent. If I were in the Senate today, I would rise on the Senate floor in support of our commander in chief. He may be a Democrat, but he happens to be right on this question. (Arizona Republican Barry M. Goldwater retired from the Senate in 1987) www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/scotts/bulgarians/barry-goldwater.html
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Post by maxwell on Sept 3, 2014 15:40:57 GMT -5
Look folks at all the Modern Day Liberals showing up with their Arrogance & Condescension! Yup, no one can possibly read between the lines and know exactly was really meant as the Modern Day Liberal regurgitates. On religion being bound to politics, enjoy this one ASF, particularly from 3 minutes onward: class dismissed.
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Post by brookboy123 on Sept 4, 2014 6:26:51 GMT -5
Look folks at all the Modern Day Liberals showing up with their Arrogance & Condescension! Yup, no one can possibly read between the lines and know exactly was really meant as the Modern Day Liberal regurgitates. On religion being bound to politics, enjoy this one ASF, particularly from 3 minutes onward: class dismissed. Awesome clip......The Senator was appalled when Reagan sold the GOP to the fundie filth of the religious right. I met Senator Goldwater twice.......once at his "compound" in Scottsdale and another time on Long Island. He was a real son-of-a-joooooooooooooo, like me.
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Post by evilconempire on Sept 4, 2014 6:31:58 GMT -5
Looks like ASF finally stopped digging that hole. First wise thing he's done in weeks.
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Post by antisteroidforce on Sept 4, 2014 6:40:52 GMT -5
Wrong again Mr. "Phony Conservative."
There is simply no need to pursue this thread any further.
Groping Modern Day Liberals can have as many last words as they please.
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Post by evilconempire on Sept 4, 2014 6:57:34 GMT -5
Yes, stopped digging. You got demolished here by Max.
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Post by psk836 on Sept 4, 2014 7:19:25 GMT -5
I think the important thing to note is that Goldwater was a true conservative, one who stood on principle and not on politics. And 50 years later his guiding principles are still valid. I think modern day conservatives should take note and that they should not be afraid to stand firm on their principles. The spirit of compromise brought us Bob Dole, the Bushes and Mitt Romney. Standing on principle brought us Ronald Reagan, and that gave the country a 30 year respite from its decline. Frankly I think it is time for another principled conservative to step up, and if one does then the country will rally around him or her.
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Post by antisteroidforce on Sept 4, 2014 7:21:17 GMT -5
Perfectly stated psk836.
Max?
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Post by peteetongman on Sept 4, 2014 7:24:37 GMT -5
"It's wonderful that we have so many religious people in our party, ... They need to leave their theologies in their churches." — Barry Goldwater so you liked him too? cool
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Post by numarymag on Sept 4, 2014 7:33:32 GMT -5
I think the important thing to note is that Goldwater was a true conservative, one who stood on principal and not on politics. And 50 years later his guiding principals are still valid. I think modern day conservatives should take note and that they should not be afraid to stand firm on their principals. The spirit of compromise brought us Bob Dole, the Bushes and Mitt Romney. Standing on principal brought us Ronald Reagan, and that gave the country a 30 year respite from its decline. Frankly I think it is time for another principaled conservative to step up, and if one does then the country will rally around him or her. Good appraisal of Goldwater PSK. He was a very good man and would have been a wonderful President. I worked on his campaign and also worked for the family in their Department Store. Conservatives have never been very popular as they generally look to the people of this country to carry their own weight and that just isn't a very popular concept among Liberals.
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Post by evilconempire on Sept 4, 2014 7:40:08 GMT -5
I think the important thing to note is that Goldwater was a true conservative, one who stood on principal and not on politics. And 50 years later his guiding principals are still valid. I think modern day conservatives should take note and that they should not be afraid to stand firm on their principals. The spirit of compromise brought us Bob Dole, the Bushes and Mitt Romney. Standing on principal brought us Ronald Reagan, and that gave the country a 30 year respite from its decline. Frankly I think it is time for another principaled conservative to step up, and if one does then the country will rally around him or her. I agree that we need a principled conservative like Goldwater. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even make it through the primaries in today's GOP. The question is who is this principled conservative? There is going to be a major disagreement on that. Ron Paul was a principled conservative and he was ridiculed. Perhaps Rand Paul is that guy? Maybe Christy? Rubio? It's definitely not Romney, Santorum, or Perry.
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Post by beauregarde on Sept 4, 2014 7:40:35 GMT -5
I think the important thing to note is that Goldwater was a true conservative, one who stood on principal and not on politics. And 50 years later his guiding principals are still valid. I think modern day conservatives should take note and that they should not be afraid to stand firm on their principals. The spirit of compromise brought us Bob Dole, the Bushes and Mitt Romney. Standing on principal brought us Ronald Reagan, and that gave the country a 30 year respite from its decline. Frankly I think it is time for another principaled conservative to step up, and if one does then the country will rally around him or her. I wish these sentiments could still apply in today's situation, but unfortunately, they do not. When the takers outnumber the makers, the possibility for any candidate to pursue the policies espoused by a Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan have passed. Mass democracy will continue to favor the most prolific, regardless of the merits of their policies and more importantly their intelligence. Lapdogs like Dole, the Bushes, Romney, who simply offer up "Socialism-Lite" will be the only candidates with an outside chance of winning the executive branch. Slowing the inevitable decline in to despotism will be the best you can hope for. A true revolution to rid the country of the appartus of the parasite class is all that can save her.
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Post by psk836 on Sept 4, 2014 7:55:08 GMT -5
I think the important thing to note is that Goldwater was a true conservative, one who stood on principal and not on politics. And 50 years later his guiding principals are still valid. I think modern day conservatives should take note and that they should not be afraid to stand firm on their principals. The spirit of compromise brought us Bob Dole, the Bushes and Mitt Romney. Standing on principal brought us Ronald Reagan, and that gave the country a 30 year respite from its decline. Frankly I think it is time for another principaled conservative to step up, and if one does then the country will rally around him or her. I wish these sentiments could still apply in today's situation, but unfortunately, they do not. When the takers outnumber the makers, the possibility for any candidate to pursue the policies espoused by a Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan have passed. Mass democracy will continue to favor the most prolific, regardless of the merits of their policies and more importantly their intelligence. Lapdogs like Dole, the Bushes, Romney, who simply offer up "Socialism-Lite" will be the only candidates with an outside chance of winning the executive branch. Slowing the inevitable decline in to despotism will be the best you can hope for. A true revolution to rid the country of the appartus of the parasite class is all that can save her. I share your heartbreak beauregarde. The operative word in my statement is "rally", which is certainly what would be required. I do think that after the Bush presidency that brought about the Tea Party, and the Obama presidency that made a mockery of constitutional law, a true and principled conservative could inspire the groundswell of support it would take to propel such a candidate into the White House. Certainly another lightweight will result in a Hillary Clinton presidency, so in my opinion, we don't really have a choice. From here though, evilconempire asks the poignant question: "Who?".
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Post by psk836 on Sept 4, 2014 7:59:16 GMT -5
I think the important thing to note is that Goldwater was a true conservative, one who stood on principal and not on politics. And 50 years later his guiding principals are still valid. I think modern day conservatives should take note and that they should not be afraid to stand firm on their principals. The spirit of compromise brought us Bob Dole, the Bushes and Mitt Romney. Standing on principal brought us Ronald Reagan, and that gave the country a 30 year respite from its decline. Frankly I think it is time for another principaled conservative to step up, and if one does then the country will rally around him or her. Good appraisal of Goldwater PSK. He was a very good man and would have been a wonderful President. I worked on his campaign and also worked for the family in their Department Store. Conservatives have never been very popular as they generally look to the people of this country to carry their own weight and that just isn't a very popular concept among Liberals. Wow very cool! And also an accurate assessment.
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Post by beauregarde on Sept 4, 2014 8:14:20 GMT -5
I wish these sentiments could still apply in today's situation, but unfortunately, they do not. When the takers outnumber the makers, the possibility for any candidate to pursue the policies espoused by a Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan have passed. Mass democracy will continue to favor the most prolific, regardless of the merits of their policies and more importantly their intelligence. Lapdogs like Dole, the Bushes, Romney, who simply offer up "Socialism-Lite" will be the only candidates with an outside chance of winning the executive branch. Slowing the inevitable decline in to despotism will be the best you can hope for. A true revolution to rid the country of the appartus of the parasite class is all that can save her. I share your heartbreak beauregarde. The operative word in my statement is "rally", which is certainly what would be required. I do think that after the Bush presidency that brought about the Tea Party, and the Obama presidency that made a mockery of constitutional law, a true and principled conservative could inspire the groundswell of support it would take to propel such a candidate into the White House. Certainly another lightweight will result in a Hillary Clinton presidency, so in my opinion, we don't really have a choice. From here though, evilconempire asks the poignant question: "Who?". You don't have the numbers anymore to "rally" a majority capable of electing a candidate that would espouse and truly pursue a drastically downsized government. Heck, in 1964, when there still was that possibility, look what a despicable swine like LBJ was able to do to Goldwater? Largely with a single TV ad. So, unfortunately "who" no longer matters. A well-organized, well-armed minority of Patriots faithful to the original intent of the Founders will have to forceably take control of the reigns of power. It could manifest itself in several ways: regional separatism, etc., but I do not believe it will happen as long as Americans continue to have (affordable) food at the stores and ball games on the TV. Something cataclysmic will eventually occur - most likely economic collapse - and when the "law of the jungle" starts to rule the day, then we'll see who's got it and who doesn't. I wish I was wrong but we did this to ourselves by pursuing idiotic notions about "diversity" and "equality" when the evidence to the contrary was right before our eyes. People will say "Look!, that bigot doesn't believe in equality!" simply because I can see that given equal opportunity, we have disparate results unless the government steps in and forces "equality". People watch TV and see characters and images that are at odds with what they encounter in real, everyday life, and because they desperately WANT to believe that these things could be true, they continue to sow the seeds of their own destruction.
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