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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 8:00:49 GMT -5
One of the best sources of information about what really happened on 9/11 comes from eyewitnesses. And the most accurate and usually most genuine accounts are taken immediately following the event. True there are eyewitnesses who are of the opinion that the official story is true. And just like evidence, when one posts only evidence and accounts that supports the official narrative, obviously one only gets half the picture, the half that supports it. This is intellectual dishonesty and deliberate disinformation, or to put it plainly when it comes from an official source, criminal fraud. And this is how FEMA, the 9/11 Commission, NIST and its complicit media worked. You won't find any of the accounts I will be posting in this thread in any of their reports or in the media. I will only post those I feel are significant. "An estimated 2,973 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. The death toll at the World Trade Center included 60 police officers and 343 firefighters, 87 passengers aboard American Flight 11, 60 on United Flight 175, and over 2,000 occupants and neighbors of the WTC. The death toll at the Pentagon included 125 people from the Pentagon and 64 passengers on American Flight 77. And 44 people lost their lives on United Flight 93.
Many 9/11 survivors and many 9/11 victim family members have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11.
The public statements of many survivors contradict the Commission Report. And the words and actions of some of the victims on that terrible day are in conflict with the Commission Report."You can read these yourself at patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html and of course, it's always up to the reader to separate fact from fiction and determine for him/herself if the official account is true or propaganda.
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 8:47:58 GMT -5
William Rodriguez – WTC survivor. An American Building Maintenance employee for twenty years, responsible for inspection and maintenance at the World Trade Center, who held the master key for the stairs. He was the last person to leave the building on September 11 and has been credited with saving many lives. For his efforts, he received the National Hero Award from the Senate of Puerto Rico. Founder, Hispanic Victims Group. * Article 6/24/05: Regarding an explosion in the sub-basement of the World Trade Center North Tower on 9/11, prior to any airplane impact. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office. ... [ Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Rodriguez was in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.] "Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion." But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!" David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries. "He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn't have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below. "I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up. ... "I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower. "And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn't have any answers." www.arcticbeacon* Editor's note: Despite hundreds of eyewitness reports of explosions throughout the Twin Towers by doomed victims, survivors, emergency service personnel, reporters, and bystanders, the 9/11 Commission Report contains virtually no mention of them and entirely ignores them in its conclusions. Graeme MacQueen's analysis of oral histories of 9/11 taken from 503 FDNY survivors reveals more than 100 FDNY personnel reported explosions in the Twin Towers. * Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11: "We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things: An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." www.911truth.org/article.php Signatory 11/19/04: Complaint filed with the Attorney General, State of New York for a new independent grand jury investigation of 9/11. "We, the complainant signatories below, petition the Attorney General of New York, on behalf of millions of New Yorkers who also call for a fearless independent inquiry; for the sake of residents, workers, and business owners in New York–most particularly in and near "Ground Zero"; and also on behalf of other Americans who have lost employees, friends, and family members as well as health, business, and personal assets and civil, privacy, and other rights in the events of September 11, 2001 and their aftermath. We approach your office as concerned citizens desiring to bring to light the truth about the events of 9/11." www.justicefor911.org* Personal website: www.911keymaster.com/
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 8:51:04 GMT -5
Anthony Saltalamacchia – WTC Survivor. Maintenance Supervisor at the World Trade Center, overseeing over 100 American Building Maintenance employees. * Video interview by William Rodriguez 9/07: "On the morning of September 11th, I was in my office. I was just getting the work handed out to all the employees. ... [ Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Saltalamacchia was in sub-basement B1 of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.] We heard a massive explosion that was in the World Trade Center about 8:46 a.m. in the morning. The explosion came from -- I believe at first we believed that it came from the Mechanical Room. [Editor's note: The Mechanical Room was below them in a lower sub-basement .] Then we heard a series of other explosions that sounded up on the above levels of the building. We then realized that there was something wrong and there was a major problem. And about, I'd say, 14 to 15 people came running and screaming into our office. ... Then right after that the floor started shaking. The tile from above, which was above us, started coming down, falling on us. And we knew that there was something seriously wrong happening. A man came into the office. He was a black man, very shaky, like in shock. He had multiple wounds. His arms were bleeding. Skin was peeling off. You could see basically his flesh. It was a very tough thing to see. ... [Editor's note: Mr. Saltalamacchia is referring to Felipe David.] And as we're standing there, more explosions were happening. A lot of screaming confusion. ... It was very smoky, very cloudy. It just looked very serious. We knew we had to get out of the building. ... The amount of explosions I've heard from 8:46 until the time we got out was so many, at least ten. It was just like multiple explosions to where I felt like there were different grenades. That's what it sounded like, it was different grenades being set off in the building. It was like -- There was one major explosion, and then there was different explosions throughout that period of time until we got out. Do I believe six years after 9/11? I don't know the truth. I don't believe a word that they say. I just don't believe Everything they say is a cover up. ... No, definitely don't leave it alone. I think that we should get documents to know the truth of what was really going on that we didn't know that we should know now." www.youtube.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 8:52:40 GMT -5
Phillip Morelli – WTC survivor. Construction worker at the World Trade Center for seven years . * Video interview: "At 8:30 he says he was headed for level B-4 in Tower One [North Tower], four stories below ground. "... As I'm walking by the main freight car of the building, in the corridor, that's when I got blown. I mean the impact of the explosion, from whatever happened, it threw me to the floor. And that's when everything started happening. It knocked me right to the floor. You didn't know what it was. Of course, you're assuming something fell over on the loading dock, something very heavy, something very big. You don't know what happened. And all of a sudden you just felt the floor moving. ... [ Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Morelli was in the sub-basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.] I was racing -- I was going towards the bathroom. All of a sudden. I opened the door. I didn't know it was a bathroom And all of a sudden a big impact happened again. And all the ceiling tiles were falling down. The light fixtures were falling, swinging out of the ceiling. And I come running out the door and everything, the walls were down. And I now started running towards the parking lots." Nearly 100 floors below where the first plane hit Phil felt the devastating impact. ... "As I ran to the parking lots, you know, I mean, everybody screaming ... There was a lot of smoke down there. ... You gotta go clear across the whole -- from One to Two World Trade Center. That's the way you gotta run. And then all of a sudden it happened all over again. Building Two got hit. I don't know that. I just know something else hit us to the floor. Right in the basement you felt it. The walls were caving in. Everything that was going on. I know of people that got killed in the basement. I know of people that got broken legs in the basement. People got reconstructive surgery because the walls hit them in the face." real.ny1.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 8:54:07 GMT -5
Marlene Cruz – WTC survivor. Carpenter employed at the World Trade Center for 15 years.
* ABC 9/12/01: Peter Jennings interviewed Marlene Cruz the day after 9/11. Ms. Cruz, a WTC carpenter, was injured in the basement of WTC North Tower on 9/11. She was the first casualty from the WTC to arrive at Bellevue Hospital.
Peter Jennings: So tell me how you're feeling. How did you get there? What happened to you?
Marlene Cruz: I work for the Trade Center. I'm one of the carpenters. And I was gonna go do a job. And I got on the elevator, the freight elevator. And I heard the first explosion. And the elevator blew up. The doors blew up. And it dropped. I was lucky that the elevator got caught between two floors.
Peter Jennings: Which floors?
Marlene Cruz: The B Levels. The basement levels. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Ms. Cruz was in the basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.]
After the first explosion I was laying on the floor about 40 minutes.
Peter Jennings: And how well do you know that subterranean part of the World Trade Center?
Marlene Cruz: Well, I worked for the building for 15 years. I think I know it from the back of my hand. Really I didn't expect this bombing to occur after the first one, since I was in the first one, also. But when I heard that explosion that's the first thing I thought was; here we go again, another bomb.
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 9:18:01 GMT -5
Mike Pecoraro – WTC survivor. Stationary Engineer who performed services in all of the buildings at the World Trade Center. * Article Chief Engineer 2002: Mike Pecoraro and a co-worker were working in the sub-basement of the North Tower when the first airplane hit. "They had been told to stay where they were and "sit tight" until the Assistant Chief got back to them. By this time, however, the room they were working in began to fill with a white smoke. "We smelled kerosene," Mike recalled, "I was thinking maybe a car fire was upstairs", referring to the parking garage located below grade in the tower but above the deep space where they were working. [ Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Pecoraro was in the sub-basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.] The two decided to ascend the stairs to the C level, to a small machine shop where Vito Deleo and David Williams were supposed to be working. When the two arrived at the C level, they found the machine shop gone. "There was nothing there but rubble, " Mike said. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic press? gone!" The two began yelling for their co-workers, but there was no answer. They saw a perfect line of smoke streaming through the air. "You could stand here," he said, "and two inches over you couldn't breathe. We couldn't see through the smoke so we started screaming." But there was still no answer. The two made their way to the parking garage, but found that it, too, was gone. "There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor, and you can't see anything" he said. [ Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Pecoraro was in the basement of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.] They decided to ascend two more levels to the building's lobby. As they ascended to the B Level, one floor above, they were astonished to see a steel and concrete fire door that weighed about 300 pounds, wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil" and lying on the floor. "They got us again," Mike told his co-worker, referring to the terrorist attack at the center in 1993. Having been through that bombing, Mike recalled seeing similar things happen to the building's structure. He was convinced a bomb had gone off in the building. Mike walked through the open doorway and found two people lying on the floor. One was a female Carpenter and the other an Elevator Operator. They were both badly burned and injured." www.chiefengineer.org
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 9:51:12 GMT -5
Frank A. DeMartini – WTC victim. Architect and WTC Construction Manager, North Tower, 88th floor. Demartini first worked at the World Trade Center when Leslie E. Robertson Associates hired him to assess damage from the terrorist truck bombing in 1993.
* Video interview 1/25/01: "The [Twin Tower] building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door. This intense grid and the jet-plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 12:54:51 GMT -5
Ephraim Resnick, B EE, PE – WTC survivor. Lived two blocks from WTC 7. Retired Licensed Professional Engineer, State of New York. Worked for 50 years in construction design in and around NYC, including several years in my own engineering business. While working, bought and converted to residential use an old, empty industrial building within Ground Zero. Moved there with my family in 1992. Retired in August, 2001. US Army veteran, WW II. * Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition: "I lived and worked in lower Manhattan before the WTC was built. I witnessed and was involved in several projects within the WTC during and after its construction. On 9/11, I was awakened by the noise of the crash of the first plane into WTC 1 and witnessed the fire and destruction caused by that event. While I was watching, the second plane hit WTC 2. My wife and I left the area by bicycle 20 minutes before the collapse of the North & South Towers, which we witnessed from 1 mile north. My house is 2 blocks from WTC 7, which collapsed several hours later. I was allowed to return to the area 1 week later. I was disturbed by the height of the debris caused by the relatively small WTC 7 compared to the smaller mound from the Twin Towers. Since then I have been following the conspiracy theories, and have found much in them to be accurate and troubling more accurate than the official government reports." www.ae911truth.org Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 1,500 Architects and Engineers: "On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7."
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 12:56:10 GMT -5
Chief Frank Cruthers – WTC survivor. Chief of Department, FDNY. Incident commander on 9/11. * Statement recorded by FDNY 10/31/01: "And while I was still in that immediate area, the south tower, 2 World Trade Center, there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse." graphics8.nytimes.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 12:58:27 GMT -5
Chief Albert Turi, Jr. – WTC survivor. Currently serves as Chief of the Bureau of Training, FDNY. On 9/11, served as Deputy Assistant Chief of Safety, FDNY. * Statement recorded by FDNY 12/10/01: Chief Turi arrived at the WTC just prior to and witnessed the second airplane impact. He entered the North Tower lobby shortly after the second impact, where a temporary command post was located. "Q: Let me stop you there for a second, chief. When you were in the lobby of 1 World Trade, can you describe the interior and the condition of the lobby? Chief Turi: Yes. I was surprised that all the glass was mostly out. I wasn't sure how it got out. I didn't think we took it out. I just assumed that it was the vibration of the aircraft hitting it. And I did notice some pieces of marble that looked like it was dislodged from the core area. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Chief Turi was in the lobby of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.] And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out. I later realized that the building had started to collapse already and this was the air being compressed and that is the floor that let go. And as my eyes traveled further up the building, I realized that this building was collapsing ..." graphics8.nytimes.com* Statement of Firefighter Timothy Julian, conducted by Chief Turi, recorded by FDNY 12/10/01: Firefighter Julian: ... that's when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, secondary device. Chief Turi: I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. Firefighter Julian: You know, and I just heard like an explosion and a then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down ... " graphics8.nytimes.com* NBC report 9/11/01:
NBC Anchor: NBC’s Pat Dawson is close to the scene of that attack. Pat? Pat Dawson: Just moments ago, I spoke to the Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department. The chief, Albert Turi, he received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is, another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could. But he said that there was another explosion, which took place. And then an hour after the first hit here, the first crash that took place, he said there was another explosion that took place in one of the towers here. He thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building. The second device, he thinks, he speculates, was probably planted in the building." video segment at 39:05 of the 89 minute version of Loose Change, 2nd Edition.
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 13:00:21 GMT -5
Chief Orio Palmer – WTC victim. Chief of Battalion 7, FDNY, Manhattan. * Transcript of FDNY radio communications on 9/11: Battalion Chief Orio Palmer took an elevator to the 41st floor of the South Tower, then climbed the stairs to the 78th floor. With him was Fire Marshal Ronald Bucca, who had climbed the stairs from the ground floor. They were the first firefighters to reach an airplane impact zone in either the North or South Tower. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, United Flight 175 impacted the South Tower, "crashing through the 77th to 85th floors". 9:52 a.m. Chief Palmer: "Battalion Seven ... Ladder 15, we've got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Radio that, 78th floor numerous 10-45 Code Ones." Ladder 15: "What stair are you in, Orio?" Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha to lobby command post." Ladder Fifteen: "Fifteen to Battalion Seven." Chief Palmer: "... Ladder 15." Ladder 15: "Chief, what stair you in?" Chief Palmer: "South stairway Adam, South Tower." Ladder 15: "Floor 78?" Chief Palmer: "Ten-four, numerous civilians, we gonna need two engines up here." Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're on our way." 9:52 a.m. Battalion Seven Aide: "Seven Alpha for Battalion Seven." Chief Palmer: "South tower, Steve, south tower, tell them ...Tower one." Chief Palmer: "Fifteen." Chief Palmer: "I'm going to need two of your firefighters, Adam stairway, to knock down two fires. We have a house line stretched we could use some water on it, knock it down, kay." Ladder 15: "Alright ten-four, we're coming up the stairs. We're on 77 now in the B stair, I'll be right to you." Ladder 15 Roof: "Fifteen Roof to 15. We're on 71. We're coming right up." 9:57 a.m. "Division 3 ... lobby command, to the Fieldcom command post." Chief Palmer: "Operations Tower One to floor above Battalion Nine." Battalion Nine Chief: "Battalion Nine to command post." Battalion Seven Operations Tower One: "Battalion Seven Operations Tower One to Battalion Nine, need you on floor above 79. We have access stairs going up to 79, kay." Battalion Nine: "Alright, I'm on my way up, Orio." Two minutes later, at 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds. 911research.wtc7.net
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 13:03:10 GMT -5
Deputy Chief Raymond Downey – WTC victim. Commanding Officer of the Special Operations Command (SOC), FDNY. 39-year veteran. Most heavily decorated firefighter in FDNY history. Chief Downey was a renowned expert on building collapses. In testimony before the U.S. Senate, Battalion Chief and Executive Officer of Hazardous Material Operations, Robert Ingram, FDNY referred to him as “the premiere collapse expert in the country.” In a public hearing of the 9/11 Commission, Commissioner Timothy Roemer described Chief Downey as a “very, very respected expert on building collapse." According to Fire Engineering Magazine, "Chief Downey was nationally known for his pioneering efforts in the field of technical rescue and was the unofficial leader of the FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Teams he trained for disaster response throughout the United States and the world. Chief Downey commanded rescue operations at many difficult and complex disasters, including the Oklahoma City Bombing, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, and many natural disasters worldwide." Father John Delendick – WTC survivor. Chaplain, FDNY. * Statement of Father John Delendick recorded by FDNY on 12/6/01: Father Delendick: The top of the building [South Tower] kind of started to rumble, and we all looked up. ... We heard a rumbling noise, and it appeared that that first tower, the South Tower, had exploded, the top of it. That's what I saw, what a lot of us saw. ... I remember asking Ray Downey was it the jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. As we've since learned, it was the jet fuel that was dropping down that caused all this. But he said it was too even. ... So his original thought was that he thought it was a bomb up there as well. ... [After the collapse of the South Tower] A whole group of us started moving north again. I'm not sure who I was with. We just started moving north. When we got to the corner of West and Vesey, we heard that kind of same rumbling noise. And someone just yelled run, and we all started running. Some people ran north. I ran with a whole bunch of people going towards the river. [And then the North Tower collapsed.] graphics8.nytimes.com* The Last Men Out (2004) by Tom Downey (nephew of Chief Downey):
"Since the second plane hit, at 9:03, the scene has become even more chaotic. Downey check in with the Chiefs, who are trying to formulate a plan to deal with the chaos. Downey says he is worried about secondary devices in the towers, explosive devices that could hurt the firemen. ... [Chief Downey said to Capt. Al Fuentes, head of the Marine Division, FDNY] 'Al, tell the guys to watch out for secondary devices.' Downey still thinks there might be bombs in there ..."
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 13:04:30 GMT -5
Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick – WTC survivor. Deputy Commissioner for Administration, FDNY. In 2001, he was serving his 32nd year with FDNY. He began his career at Ladder Company 38 in the Bronx and later served in Ladder Company 4, and Rescue Company 1 in Manhattan. He served in the Marine Division and the Division of Training. He served as Senior Policy Advisor and an Executive Officer to three successive Fire Commissioners. * Statement recorded by FDNY 10/1/01: Regarding the collapse of WTC South Tower. "We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing it, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV. I would have to say for three or four seconds anyway, maybe longer. I was just watching." graphics8.nytimes.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:10:50 GMT -5
Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory – WTC survivor. Bureau of Communications, FDNY * Statement recorded by FDNY 10/3/01: "I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 [South Tower] came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down. Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was? A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too. .... Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors. A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don't know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don't know." graphics8.nytimes
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:12:08 GMT -5
Captain Dennis Tardio – WTC survivor. Engine 7 FDNY
Firefighter Patrick Zoda – WTC survivor. Engine 7 FDNY
* Documentary film, 9/11 by Jules and Gedeon Naudet recorded 9/11/01:
Tardio: What do we do? We made it outside. We made it about a block.
Zoda: We made it at least two blocks.
Tardio: Two blocks.
Zoda: And we started running
Tardio: Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
Zoda: Floor by floor, it started poppin’ out.
Tardio: It was like, it was if, it was as if they had detonators.
Zoda: Yeah, detonators.
Tardio: You know, as if they were plannin' to take down a building. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Zoda: All the way down. I was watchin’ it and running. And then you just saw this cloud of s**t chasing, chasing you down." video segment at 47:35 of the 89 minute version of Loose Change 2nd Edition.
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:13:25 GMT -5
Firefighter Lou Cacchioli – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. WTC survivor. Retired 20-year veteran of FDNY, Company 47, Harlem. Injuries on 9/11 and toxic dust inhalation forced retirement. * Article Arctic Beacon 7/19/05: "When he finally entered the North Tower lobby, Cacchioli recalls elevator doors completely blown out and another scene of mass chaos with people running, screaming and being hit with debris. "I remember thinking to myself, my God, how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above. It didn't make sense," said Cacchioli. ... [Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Cacchioli was in the lobby of the North Tower, approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98.] As he made his way up along with men from Engine Co. 21, 22 and Ladder Co. 13, the doors opened on the 24th floor, a scene again that hardly made sense to the seasoned fireman, claiming the heavy dust and haze of smoke he encountered was unusual considering the location of the strike. "Tommy Hetzel was with me and everybody else also gets out of the elevator when it stops on the 24th floor," said Cacchioli, "There was a huge amount of smoke. Tommy and I had to go back down the elevator for tools and no sooner did the elevators close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator. ... "I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although it's hard to tell, but I'm thinking, 'Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!' When Cacchioli entered the 23rd floor, he found a "little man" holding a handkerchief in front of his face and hiding under the standpipes on the wall, used for pumping water on the floor in case of fire. Leading the man by the arm, he then ran into a group down the hall of about 35 to 40 people, finding his way down the 23rd floor stairwell and beginning their descent to safety. "Then as soon as we get in the stairwell, I hear another huge explosion like the other two. Then I heard bang, bang, bang - huge bangs - and surmised later it was the floors pan caking on top of one another. ... [ Editor's note: At this point, Mr. Cacchioli was in the stairwell of the 23rd floor of the North Tower, approximately 850 feet below the airplane's point of impact at floors 93 to 98 and approximately 300 feet above ground level. The entire collapse of the North Tower occurred in only 11 seconds. It's unlikely the sounds referred to here by Mr. Cacchioli were floors pancaking since it took him several additional minutes to exit the building.] When the group led by Cacchioli finally made it to the lobby level, he was unable to open the door at first, the concussion of the explosions or perhaps the south tower falling, jamming the lobby door. Finally jarring it loose, the group entered the lobby finding total devastation with windows blown out and marble falling from the walls, but strangely no people. ... Cacchioli was called to testify privately [before the 9/11 Commission] ... "My story was never mentioned in the final [9/11 Commission] report and I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out. It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible." www.arcticbeacon.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:15:22 GMT -5
Officer Craig Bartmer – WTC survivor. NYPD officer. 9/11 first responder and rescue worker. Disabled from respiratory illness caused by inhalation of toxic dust..
* Video interview: "I was real close to Building 7 [610 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane] when it fell down. ... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. I didn't see any reason for that building to fall down the way it did -- and a lot of guys should be saying the same thing. I don't know what the fear is coming out and talking about it? I don't know -- but it's the truth. ...
I think we're being lied to. The only answer to get to the bottom of that lie is a new investigation. I think that the 9/11 Commission Report is a farce. I think that the members that conducted it had conflicts of interest directly relating to not just our government but corporations intertwined with our government. I think it's a farce; that we're being lied to. There's not a word in it about Building 7. Why? ...
I think it's time to demand a real investigation of the experience and let the truth come out in the wash. Because I tell you what, if something, to use a police department term, if something hinky is going on, it will come out in a real investigation, not a farce like the 9/11 Commission Report. ...
I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any -- I didn't hear any creaking, or I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment ... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started peeling in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the s**t's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
I think I know an explosion when I hear it. So, yeah, I want to know what took that building down. I don't think it was the fire and it certainly wasn't a plane. Yeah, it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying. -- Nothing to account for what we saw. -- I am shocked at the story we've heard about it, to be quite honest."
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:16:12 GMT -5
Assistant Fire Commissioner James Drury – WTC survivor. Bureau of Investigations and Trials, FDNY. * Statement recorded by FDNY 10/16/01: "When the dust started to settle [from the collapse of the South Tower], I headed back down towards the World Trade Center and I guess I came close to arriving at the corner of Vesey and West again where we started to hear the second roar. That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were later proved wrong. ... That's basically what my memories are of the day. The sight of the jumpers was horrible and the turning around and seeing that first tower come down was unbelievable. The sound it made. As I said, I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall. That's about it." graphics8.nytimes.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:20:10 GMT -5
April Gallop, Administrative Specialist, U.S. Army, and Elisha Gallop – Pentagon survivors. April suffered major injuries in the attack on the Pentagon, resulting in partial disability and medical discharge from the Army. Two-month old Elisha suffered head injuries causing hearing loss and developmental delays. * Endorsement of the PentaCon documentary: "Well after I reviewed the footage and carefully looked at the information I think it should be considered as credible for public viewing and also very important for people to look at because it shows that there is obviously some fabrication in the official testimony. And I think that everyone should sit down and take a look at it." thepentacon.com/* Interview 7/14/06: Interviewer: Do you have any theory about how a Boeing 757 could have hit such a secure building without any anti-aircraft defenses being activated or any warning alarms sounded? Gallop: I have thought about this very question numerous times. And then I realized I needed to rephrase the question. The real question is what is the probability or likelihood that no anti-aircraft defense, warning alarms or additional security mechanism functioned on that particular day? And then we need to think how likely is it then there was a glitch in all the security mechanisms, anti-aircraft defense and warning alarms? You know, it takes a while to get around that building. And I remember being so disgusted at the frequency of random drill exercises taking place for us to evacuate the building. It seemed as if they always happened when I had to take care of certain things. Yet on September 11th, the day when our lives were threatened, not one alarm. ... Interviewer: I know that you have previously been quoted about things like thinking that a bomb had exploded in the Pentagon, and that you did not see any plane debris in the Pentagon. I do not want to misquote you or twist your words. Is there anything you wish to state about these topics? Gallop: I have been misquoted on numerous occasions. That happens when individuals have ulterior motives. But here is my statement for the record. I was located at the E ring. From my inside perspective, with no knowledge of what had actually happened on the outside, it did sound like a bomb. And we had to escape the building before the floors, debris etc collapsed on us. And I don't recall at any time seeing any plane debris. Again, I don't know what plane debris would look like after hitting a building. But I would have recalled unusual looking pieces similar to plane parts. ... I was focusing on getting help and getting out. With that in mind, the images are etched in my mind. When I review the pictures regarding the Boeing, in my opinion, the hole didn't appear to be big enough for the 757. I don't know the scientific theory that was created to justify it being a hole created by a 757. What we need to consider is how did the plane go thru the building with all that heat and not burn us (those on the inside) to a crisp? We need to consider, how did the plane break up so to the point it created a perfectly round hole considering the rate of impact? I didn't know it was a plane until I was informed at the hospital. If I wasn't informed I would have never believed it. I walked through that place to try to get out before everything collapsed on us . . . surely we should have seen something." www.lookingglassnews.org* Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Capt. Davis, Barbara Honegger, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro. * Signatory of Petition to Release Information Pertaining to 9/11 10/5/06: "We, the undersigned, demand the immediate declassification and release of: all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice. It has been alleged that this urgent and out-of-the-ordinary meeting was called to discuss the increasingly dire warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack within the U.S. ... the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI), and the CIA Inspector General’s report, CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks The disastrous nature of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks warrant the release of all of this information so that the American public may learn what its government did or did not do to protect them. Had this nation been properly warned of the looming and imminent terrorist threat, life saving choices could have been made that day." www.petitiononline.com/july10
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:22:57 GMT -5
Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Pentagon survivor. Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career.
Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
* Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...
It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...
There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...
I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.
The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.
The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ...
.More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:24:22 GMT -5
Bob Pugh – Pentagon eyewitness. Freelance video and still photographer who arrived at the Pentagon on 9/11 within 4 or 5 minutes of the explosion. 25-year career, initially providing still news photographs to AP, UPI, and the Washington Post and then providing video news photography to all major networks; CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, and the local Washington D.C. television stations.
* Video interview of his experience at the Pentagon on 9/11:
Bob Pugh: About 9:30, and in fact, it turned out to be about 9:38, I overheard the Arlington County Fire Dispatcher dispatch a Battalion Chief to an aircraft that was down in the vicinity of the 14th Street bridge. That's one of the bridges across the Potomac from Virginia into Washington D.C. and right into the middle of town. It was, incidentally, the site of the Air Florida crash in 1980, during the winter. So, I was very familiar with the location and logistics of how to get there. So, I immediately left my office and began moving in that direction. ...
As I got down toward the Pentagon, and parallel to the actual Pentagon, itself, I could see that the building, itself, was on fire. ... I came right up into the area of the impact, parked my car, got my equipment and left. I began videotaping immediately. ...
There is in my video, a clip -- I actually have a Battalion Chief at Fort Myer putting an air bottle on his back. In discussions with him, he has indicated to me that he put that air bottle on five minutes after the impact. So, that helps me with my timeline and my thoughts. ...
I'm looking for wreckage and I don't see anything discernable. I can't find a piece of anything I recognize. I can't see the tail. I can't see the wheels. I can't see the engines. There's no chairs. There's no luggage. There's no logo. I mean, for Air Florida, when we shot that, you could see the logo of the Air Florida plane. There was identifiable structures that you could see with that kind of an impact and that aircraft. ...
[Editor's note: American Air Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon, a Boeing 757-223, was a much larger airplane than Air Florida Flight 90, a Boeing 737-222, and should have left twice as much debris. The maximum empty weight and the maximum takeoff weight of a 757 is more than twice that of a 737.]
Bob Pugh: There's a lot of debris in the foreground of those videos, again, it's very small pieces. I mean I'm standing on pieces a dinner plate or smaller in size. The largest piece I believe I saw was maybe 2 by 3 feet and it was crumpled. I believe that is the piece that everybody sees with a blue stripe -- well-- or it had red paint on it, red logo, a red stripe. ...
Interviewer: How big, now you were right up there, how big was the Pentagon hole? How big could it possibly be?
Bob Pugh: I would say, I would say, it was 16 feet diameter, 20 feet tops. Again, I can't -- That's what struck me so curious as I was trying to find something -- There was no marks on the grass. Something never hit the ground. It didn't hit the heliport. I mean, it was a precision or awfully lucky hit. I mean, I don't know how it didn't bounce. I don't know how it hit directly in the side of the building without touching the ground, going as fast as it obviously was going. But I can't believe the thing is more than a garage door.
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:25:58 GMT -5
Bill Doyle – Father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North Tower. Founder of the Bill Doyle 9/11 Support Group, a bi-partisan support group of more than 7,000 members of 2,573 families. His group merged with the Coalition of 9/11 Families in 2004 and is now know as the World Trade Center United Family Group, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization. * Article 8/6/05: "I honestly don’t believe the government story," said Doyle, adding everything about the official story and the follow-up investigation has not lived up to his or most all the other victims and survivors expectations. "The 9/11 Commission report doesn't even begin to get at the truth." ... "What we really need is an entire new investigation to answer all the questions not answered by the 9/11 Commission," said Doyle, who is urging all Americans to support the victims and family members in fighting for this cause. "I've heard so many stories from whistle blowers, compelling stories that need to be told that have been silenced by the government and the media." www.arcticbeacon.com* Interviewed on The Alex Jones Show 7/8/06: Alex Jones: Let's get down to brass tacks. You have questions about the official story don't you? Bill Doyle: Without question. I mean, if you want to believe what they're trying to snow you under on, like the 9/11 Commission -- that's all a fallacy. ... The 9/11 Commission is probably the worst representation of the 9/11 Families or for that matter all the American public because it's a sham. It really is. We had tons of different questions that we asked them to ask. They wouldn't do it. And the continuing cover-up is just beyond belief. Alex Jones: Founded in September 2001, the World Trade Center United Family Group is a non-profit 501 3c. I guess you were its founder and head. You say you represent over 7,000 people. What is the average view of those that you represent about 9/11 and the cover-up? Bill Doyle: If you want to believe the 9/11 Commission story, like a lot of us don't, it almost looks like there was a conspiracy behind 9/11, if you really look at all the facts -- a lot of families now feel the same way. ... Alex Jones: Bottom line, is 9/11 an inside job? Bill Doyle: From everything that I look at I'm sure there was a lot of complicity, at least -- in the least there had to be a lot of complicity. If you read and know all the facts of what I know or you might know, there's no way in hell that nineteen of these hijackers carried out this mission. ... There's just such a continuing coverup. And why don't we just let the information about 9/11 be known? And then maybe this conspiracy type of thing would go away, but it's never going to go away or I don't think it can go away because they were complicit. ... Alex Jones: With your 7,000 members, I'm sure you've talked to most if not all of them. Run the gamut, what percentage, a guesstimation, would you say believe 9/11 is an inside job, to some extent? Bill Doyle: Maybe half, maybe. It's probably 50-50."
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:29:08 GMT -5
Donna Marsh O'Connor – Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer, Regus Business Center, WTC South Tower. Instructor, Writing and Rhetoric, Syracuse University (retired after 22 years). * Press Conference, National Press Club 9/12/06: "This government has made me a victim of conspiracy theories because they haven't answered fully, or allowed anyone to ask the true questions of September 11th. And that's what I'm asking from you [members of the media] today; for exposure. We are not crazy. We have questions. We demand answers. ... We're asking for a new investigation into the events of September 11th and this time a truly bipartisan, global--with families invested from the beginning, middle and though out the end." Transcript: journals.democraticunderground.com
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Post by bob0627 on Sept 24, 2013 21:31:58 GMT -5
Sandy Dahl – Wife of Jason Dahl, Pilot of United Airlines Flight 93. Flight Attendant for over 20 years. * Article by Gail Sheehy, New York Observer 2/26/04: "Melody Homer is another young widow of a 9/11 pilot. Her husband, LeRoy Homer, a muscular former Air Force pilot, was the first officer of United's Flight 93. The story put out by United-of heroic passengers invading the cockpit and struggling with the terrorists-is not believable to Melody Homer or to Sandy Dahl, widow of the plane's captain, Jason Dahl. Mrs. Dahl was a working flight attendant with United and knew the configuration of that 757 like the back of her hand. "We can't imagine that passengers were able to get a cart out of its locked berth and push it down the single aisle and jam it into the cockpit with four strong, violent men behind the door," said Ms. Homer. She believes that the victims' family members who broke a confidentiality agreement and gave their interpretation of sounds they'd heard on the cockpit tape misinterpreted the shattering of china. "When a plane goes erratic, china falls." www.observer.com/node/48805* Interview with Wolf Blitzer, CNN 8/8/03: Wolf Blitzer: A new report suggests a hijacker may have deliberately crashed United Flight 93 into a Pennsylvania field the morning of September 11, 2001. Officials say an FBI analysis of the cockpit voice recorder indicates the hijackers were trying to end a passenger uprising. Earlier speculation was that the passengers stormed the cockpit and crashed the plane themselves. I'm joined now by Sandy Dahl. She's the widow of Flight 93's captain, Jason Dahl. She listened to the actual voice recorder. Sandy, thanks very much for joining us. Welcome. What you to make of the new information the FBI is putting out? Sandy Dahl: I don't understand it, Mr. Blitzer. I heard the tape. I listened to it twice, listened to the transcripts. I didn't hear anything that indicated to me the hijackers were intending to crash the airplane. Wolf Blitzer: What they're suggesting, that a -- sort of an enhanced audio of that cockpit voice recording suggests that perhaps one of the hijackers ordered the hijacking pilot who managed to get into the cockpit to go ahead and crash the plane, as there was a disturbance among the passengers in the back. You've actually heard, though, the discussion, the cockpit voice recorder. And what did it say deliberately, clearly, to you? Sandy Dahl: There was no discussion of crashing it right now. They talked about ending their mission earlier. And they -- and they decided not to do that. So I don't think -- I don't think it was deliberate and it certainly wasn't planned. Wolf Blitzer: One of the suggestions they've suggested, at least some of the experts who heard the cockpit voice recording, was that, in the Arabic, that there may have been a different translation, there may have been a more precise explanation of what was going on that than in the translation or in the English, whatever you may have heard in English. Is that possible? Sandy Dahl: I heard the translation that the FBI gave us that day. And I wanted to say, I would really love for the government to come out and marry the flight data record with the voice recorder. And we would have a very clear picture of what went on. I'm kind of disappointed in reading this report. (CROSSTALK) Wolf Blitzer: Well, tell us why, Sandy, you are disappointed, because there clearly was resistance aboard the plane, the United flight. The passengers clearly took the matter into their own hands, even if the final order to crash the plane came from the hijackers, as opposed to the passengers, who decided to save, let's say, Washington, D.C., the White House or the Capitol, knowing what happened at the World Trade Center. Sandy Dahl: I'm disappointed at the FBI report, because I heard something other than what they reported. And I don't understand how they came up with it. For instance, they talk about passengers indicated that the pilots were dead and laying in the first-class section. I heard evidence to the contrary on this tape. And I don't understand why they would report that. Wolf Blitzer: Tell us exactly what you heard. Sandy Dahl: Oh, I can't do that. I have signed papers with the FBI saying that I wouldn't. I just wish that they would come out and tell the truth, the FBI, with the evidence they know. I'm not saying that they're deliberately trying to he deceive. I would just like the evidence out, so that people can know what really happened. It is kind of a folktale at this point. There was a riot of passengers and crew at the end. And they did crash into the cockpit. Wolf Blitzer: When you say you can't tell us what exactly you heard, I'm not exactly clear why they would classify that. What is the secret at this point, give that we basically know so much about what happened? Sandy Dahl: I'm not exactly sure either. Since they came out with this report, part of it, what they want to say, it isn't clear to me why it would be a secret. I understand that Zacarias Moussaoui needs a fair trial. And I'm hoping very much he gets one. But I don't understand why keeping this a secret -- I would think that flight attendants, pilots and the traveling public, having this knowledge, it would be to their advantage.
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