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Post by shred on Apr 12, 2013 16:47:28 GMT -5
F16's were scrambled but it was assumed that Flight 11 was still airborne, the fighters from Langley were vectored in the wrong direction. 1:03:00
The ATC voice tapes came from a freedom of information request.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 12, 2013 23:18:38 GMT -5
Ah, another cartoon. I was disappointed that at the end, all it did was repeat the same frames that were publicly released. I was hoping for some animation of the crash into the Pentagon. If you like cartoons though, there are more at this site: pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.htmlAnd from the "piece of cake" files, this also comes from those nasty people at Pilots for 9/11 Truth (or troof if you like that better): But don't look because all these pilots (they posted their names and credentials at the link below) are liars. You of course definitely know better because an anonymous person told you that you, another anonymous person, won. pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
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Post by shred on Apr 13, 2013 5:52:58 GMT -5
Ah, another cartoon. I was disappointed that at the end, all it did was repeat the same frames that were publicly released. I was hoping for some animation of the crash into the Pentagon. It was made with Microsoft Flight Simulator X, if you crash a plane in it, you just get an outer shot of the plane intact in it's final position, it doesn't go in for damage modelling, so isn't advanced enough for a reconstruction of the damage to the pentagon itself. Yes I've had a good hard look at that page thanks, their stuff about the Altimeter is jolly interesting. It was perfect VFR rules that day, the experienced pilots who took off before the hijacking wouldn't have needed to set it to QNH as they could fly visually and land visually (hence no need for alitmeter as landing is just a case of speed control roundout and holdoff, which is done visually and in such circumstances altimeter's are just a distraction, barometric altimeter's are inherently inaccurate anyway (and only relative to where you took off from) so most pilots don't use them except when they have to. Regarding the cockpit door and the flight data recorder, I've checked, there were no cockpit door sensors to connect to the FDR on that aircraft type. Quite a funny cartoon actually, which completely misrepresents what Hanjour did. Hanjour gained his FAA commercial pilot certificate in April 1999, getting a "satisfactory" rating from the examiner whatever mistakes he may have made before that time his skills improved with practice, hence he was given his FAA commercial pilot rating. He knew how to set the autopilot for Regan International Airport and the FDR indicates that the autopilot flew most of the way, he knew how to turn off the autopilot and turn a few degrees to the right and crash it into the Pentagon. What he did was not hard, he didn't have to land. During his pilot training, his secret aims were to learn how to be a kamikaze pilot, he wasn't interested in air law exept as a means to getting his rating, he took far far longer than most to pass his air law exam because of his poor English. He wouldn't have been interested in fully held off landings or smooth takeoffs, or stall and spin recovery training, he was only interested in straight and level flight and turns irrespective of how well coordinated, to this end he achieved his aims. All those pilots are conspiracy theorists whose agenda first and foremost is biased by their default position of inside job, disregarding any evidence to the contrary, looking for any anomalies no matter how small, to support their shaky position. To that end they are prepared to lie and misrepresent the facts. Hanjour held an FAA Commercial Pilot Certification. In order to get that certification, pilots need to demonstrate written aeronautical knowledge, flight proficiency and then be type rated. Hanjour got his FAA Certificate in 1999. He took 737 simulation training from December 2000 to March 2001 and in spite of his poor English and inconsistent performance, his skills improved enough for him to pass. In the months before the attacks Hanjour and Jarrah requested and subsequently took flights in the Hudson air corridor, Hanjour also took light aircraft in flights over Washington DC. All four pilots held FAA Commercial Pilot rating, and despite none of them ever having flown an Airliner before the attacks, all four had experience in an official Boeing 737 commercial simulator with full replica cockpit. Only one of Hanjour's instructors has ever given a tv interview Hanjour didn't like landings he didn't like stall and spin training either. These are not good signs in a Pilot, but it confirms what I've been saying above, he wasn't training to be a Pilot, he was secretly training to be a Kamikaze.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 13, 2013 10:15:23 GMT -5
"It was made with Microsoft Flight Simulator X, if you crash a plane in it, you just get an outer shot of the plane intact in it's final position, it doesn't go in for damage modelling, so isn't advanced enough for a reconstruction of the damage to the pentagon itself."
Is that your admission that it's worthless?
"Yes I've had a good hard look at that page thanks, their stuff about the Altimeter is jolly interesting."
Agreed, it's all "jolly interesting".
"Regarding the cockpit door and the flight data recorder, I've checked, there were no cockpit door sensors to connect to the FDR on that aircraft type."
Ah, you examined the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.
"Quite a funny cartoon actually, which completely misrepresents what Hanjour did."
Actually no, it doesn't represent it at all. No one knows what Hanjour did or did not do on 9/11.
"All those pilots are conspiracy theorists"
And you spoke to all of them and that's what they told you? You do realize that the official account is a CONSPIRACY THEORY, right? And that since you agree with it 100%, you are a "conspiracy theorist". It really isn't a nasty term. It has been used by the lamestream media since 9/11 as a term that denigrates and tries to automatically dismiss anyone who questions the official story. And since you're such a good sponge, you follow suit. Conspiracies by governments are extremely commonplace in history. There are numerous federal, state and local statutes regarding conspiracies, so they are not unique to those who question the official 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORY. These are a couple of examples:
18 U.S.C. § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
18 U.S.C. § 1964 - Better known as the RICO Act
As to your opinion of Hanjour, everything you've posted only adds to the likelihood that it was virtually impossible that he flew a plane into the Pentagon.
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Post by shred on Apr 13, 2013 12:14:14 GMT -5
No I checked, and prior to 9/11 no door sensors on 757's in any of the American Airlines fleet were connected to the flight data recorder, because there weren't any door sensors to connect.
As for Hanjour, he flew a 757 into the Pentagon, all the wreckage came from the flight he and his cronies hijacked. He practically demonstrated that he could and did do it. So not a theory, a fact.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 13, 2013 16:17:42 GMT -5
"As for Hanjour, he flew a 757 into the Pentagon, all the wreckage came from the flight he and his cronies hijacked."
So you were told.
"He practically demonstrated that he could and did do it."
How so? Your own post with the interview of his flight instructor contradicts that.
"So not a theory, a fact."
Everything you post, your lies, fabrications. opinions, etc. is your belief that it's fact. You really ought to try to at least not lie about that. I'm sure you're fully aware by now that I don't accept anything you post as fact and trying to convince that it is fact is an exercise in futility. To some, you're a winner, but to me you have no credibility.
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Post by shred on Apr 14, 2013 7:57:32 GMT -5
That's your opinion.
A fact 'truther' sites won't tell you is that the DNA of all five hijackers including Hanjour was identified in the wreckage.
He was there, he flew that plane, he lined up, then put the speed on, he crashed it. It isn't difficult, certainly not as difficult as landing one.
The hardest part was setting the autopilot for Washington, his training on a 737 simulator gave him cockpit familiarity with airliners and autopilot systems.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 14, 2013 8:14:29 GMT -5
"That's your opinion."
Yep, it is. At least I admit it when I agree it's my opinion, you spew s**t that's your opinion and claim it's truth.
"A fact 'truther' sites won't tell you is that the DNA of all five hijackers including Hanjour was identified in the wreckage.
He was there, he flew that plane, he lined up, then put the speed on, he crashed it. It isn't difficult, certainly not as difficult as landing one."
That's what you were told. You're easy, whatever government and its puppet media told you is 100% fact. What anyone else tells you that contradicts it is a lie. Those "truther" sites don't automatically accept what a lying government feeds. They want EVIDENCE.
"The hardest part was setting the autopilot for Washington, his training on a 737 simulator gave him cockpit familiarity with airliners and autopilot systems."
Your opinion.
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Post by shred on Apr 14, 2013 8:48:37 GMT -5
How is it just my opinion ? It's like saying it's my opinion that John F Kennedy was shot and murdered in Dallas in 1963. It's like saying it's my opinion that Freddie Mercury died of Pneumonia brought on by AIDS. I'm reporting established facts, whether you like that or not. It's an established fact that he had official Boeing 737 simulator training. The FDR shows that the autopilot was redirected and for the final part of the flight turned off. www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/AAL77_fdr.pdf Your opinion. Your opinion.Your opinion.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 14, 2013 8:59:11 GMT -5
"How is it just my opinion ?"Because it's not fact. "It's like saying it's my opinion that John F Kennedy was shot and murdered in Dallas in 1963. It's like saying it's my opinion that Freddie Mercury died of Pneumonia brought on by AIDS."No it isn't. "I'm reporting established facts, whether you like that or not."No you're not and it's irrelevant whether I like it or not. "It's an established fact that he had official Boeing 737 simulator training. The FDR shows that the autopilot was redirected and for the final part of the flight turned off. www.ntsb.gov/doclib/foia/9_11/AAL77_fdr.pdf"Government sites (and you) say many things about 9/11, none of them have any credibility since the entire 9/11 narrative is based on ADMITTED LIES and you lie as well, not to mention much of what you post is just verbatim parroting of the official narrative.
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Post by shred on Apr 14, 2013 10:35:59 GMT -5
So the NTSB are part of a conspiracy are they ? The FAA ? NORAD ? FEMA ? NIST ? American Society of Civil Engineers ? Leslie Robertson & Associates ? Larry Silverstein ? American Airlines ? United Airlines ? CNN ? NBC ? The Washington Post ?
Just how many government departments, private companies and independent media sources were in on it (in your opinion)?
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 15, 2013 0:22:31 GMT -5
"Just how many government departments, private companies and independent media sources were in on it (in your opinion)?"
I have no idea, that would be the objective of a REAL INVESTIGATION, to find out who was involved, how, what, where, when, etc. I can only investigate what's available to me for my own purposes. I can't investigate what I don't have access to and I'm not qualified to officially investigate.
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Post by shred on Apr 15, 2013 5:35:21 GMT -5
"Real" investigations have taken place whether you like it or not. Just because your misinformed mind is not happy it doesn't make you right.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 15, 2013 6:44:44 GMT -5
"Real" investigations have taken place whether you like it or not. Just because your misinformed mind is not happy it doesn't make you right. Thanks for your opinion, just like all your others, you haven't convinced of anything if that's what you're trying to do. I personally think you have another agenda, but whatever it is, it's not important to me.
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Post by shred on Apr 15, 2013 11:34:26 GMT -5
It's not an opinion, its fact. It's just like saying John F Kennedy died because he was shot in Dallas in 1963. The twin towers collapsed because of structural damage and fire. FACT. Real investigations have already determined that.
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