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Post by barrysoetoro on Apr 18, 2013 21:12:13 GMT -5
Look up a "Plasma fire". It's when metal burns.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 18, 2013 21:45:32 GMT -5
Look up a "Plasma fire". It's when metal burns. Why? What does it have to do with 9/11?
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Post by shred on Apr 22, 2013 16:29:15 GMT -5
The fires didn't stop with the collapses of the towers. In the debris was enough wood paper plastic carpet & fabric to keep those fires burning for months and to burn hot enough to burn metal. Steel wool will burn with the simple application of 9v dc current, steel girders will burn if there's sufficient energy applied, it's the same process scaled up and in the debris there was sufficient energy to burn the damaged girders & beams.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 22, 2013 16:59:15 GMT -5
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda
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Post by shred on Apr 22, 2013 18:00:38 GMT -5
So stop lying then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 19:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 22, 2013 20:38:03 GMT -5
No I won't. Anonymous sites that admit their ONLY purpose is to try to "debunk" anything or anyone who questions the official conspiracy theory are for bend over stooges and fools. Not one of them ever question anything that government and its complicit media has fed the public at large. That automatically makes them lack any credibility. I don't need convoluted explanations from sites that try to explain what any intelligent person can see on the video evidence for themselves. And I've read many of them, including the one you provided a link to. This has been gone over in another thread.
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Post by shred on Apr 23, 2013 4:10:01 GMT -5
You've provided no evidence that your government or your media was complicit.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 23, 2013 7:24:12 GMT -5
"You've provided no evidence that your government or your media was complicit."
I've provided tons of information as well as my personal opinion. How the reader/researcher wants to interpret that information is up to the reader/researcher. You don't speak for anyone but yourself.
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Post by shred on Apr 23, 2013 12:29:59 GMT -5
No you provided unsubstantiated conspiracy theories fed to you by liars and frauds for troof. Not one of these idiots dare submit their theses to a genuine science journal like ASCE or The New Scientist, they invented a Mickey Mouse journal of their own to pretend they had credibility. Pay attention. Steel is a crystalline substance made of multiple crystals, these crystals are called Martensite. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MartensiteThe faster these crystals vibrate the softer the overall material gets, they vibrate faster when heat is applied. Steel doesn't have to liquify to become much softer and much more bendy it only has to get hotter. Because of this, lots of steel framed buildings including the structurally damaged Twin Towers and WTC7 have collapsed in fire. Lots more have partially collapsed in fire. At 800 degrees C the strength of steel is reduced by more than 80%. With fireproofing systems damaged and sprinklers disabled, there was nothing anyone could have done to save those buildings after the damage was done. The designs simply weren't good enough.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 23, 2013 12:59:51 GMT -5
"you provided unsubstantiated conspiracy theories fed to you by liars and frauds for troof."
The biggest liar and fraud is you.
"Pay attention."
No thanks.
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Post by shred on Apr 23, 2013 16:14:48 GMT -5
I have told you no lies. If you were genuinely interested in the truth you'd have worked out that your fake experts are the liars.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 23, 2013 17:05:02 GMT -5
I have told you no lies. If you were genuinely interested in the truth you'd have worked out that your fake experts are the liars. I am only interested in the truth, that's why you would derisively call me a "troofer". That you use the term derogatorily is an indicator that you're only interested in the opposite, lies. If I worked out anything early on it's that you're a pervasive liar who basks in lies and disinformation. That you constantly call thousands of experts who have spent years researching 9/11 "so-called" or "fake" experts is just another obvious indicator that all you care about is pushing the lies you've been fed with more lies. A person who is genuinely interested in truth is one who advocates that all sides be heard and does not denigrate those who question what makes little or no sense. I have no problem with those pushing government's side of the story because to me, I'm confident any intelligent person should be able to detect the many inconsistencies and contradictions, as well as the improbable and impossible. In my opinion, all the information from both sides points to the FACT that there's a lot more to 9/11 than the simple story fed by government. It also clearly points out that government has deliberately covered up a tremendous amount of information on 9/11. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. A cover up (especially one of this magnitude) has only one purpose, to support a crime. In your case, if you genuinely felt that the official story was 100% correct (as you admit you believe) you could have just as easily regurgitated the official narrative with confidence without having to resort to lies and fabrications. That you did not do that only shows that you have no confidence and that you're a fraud with some kind of agenda.
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Post by shred on Apr 24, 2013 3:15:02 GMT -5
If you're interested in truth, start by learning about Young's modulus (the elastic modulus of steel), progress to bending moments, then study compressive, shear, torsion and tension forces and their effects on steel.
Those are the issues regarding the design of all steel buildings and their structural stresses.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 24, 2013 7:23:58 GMT -5
If you're interested in truth, start by learning about Young's modulus (the elastic modulus of steel), progress to bending moments, then study compressive, shear, torsion and tension forces and their effects on steel. Those are the issues regarding the design of all steel buildings and their structural stresses. Those are your issues, not mine, I'm not you. I want to know what really happened on 9/11, not study "Young's modulus", that's totally irrelevant to what really happened on 9/11.
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Post by shred on Apr 24, 2013 8:20:55 GMT -5
What really happened on 9/11 was skyscrapers getting structurally damaged catching fire weakening and collapsing. If you were interested in truth you'd study the mechanics of how that happened, i.e. Young's Modulus, Bending moments, you'd be interested in how the effects of Shear Torsion Tension and Compressive forces act upon a material. You'd be interested in Hookes Law, you'd be eager to find out everything you could about structural engineering and structural fire engineering.
Young's modulus is crucial to understanding what happened on 9/11 because steel is elastic and in that elasticity came the ability to bend and break under load.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 24, 2013 8:31:51 GMT -5
"What really happened on 9/11 ..."
I'm not interested in your repetitious theories, I'm looking for the truth. I posted that numerous times. Why do you have a problem with that and just keep repeating yourself?
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Post by shred on Apr 24, 2013 9:12:38 GMT -5
The truth lies in the physics of how buildings collapse. How can you claim on the one hand to be interested in finding out the truth, yet on the other too lazy to study the actual physics which would prove the truth to you ?
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 24, 2013 10:46:20 GMT -5
The truth lies in the physics of how buildings collapse. No the truth lies in the reality of what actually happened on 9/11, not theories. One can apply the "physics of how buildings collapse" to controlled demolitions or earthquakes. You're trying to confuse the issue as usual with a fallacy. How can you claim on the one hand to be interested in finding out the truth, yet on the other too lazy to study the actual physics which would prove the truth to you ? How can you ask a question that includes an invalid/illogical claim?
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 24, 2013 10:47:53 GMT -5
Why? What does it have to do with 9/11? Is that supposed to answer the question or is that just more of your childish silliness? (that's rhetorical)
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Post by shred on Apr 24, 2013 10:59:26 GMT -5
Young's modulus is not a theory Bob, it's an established scientific law. The information I provided you with on the performance of steel in fire is not theoretical it is tried and tested scientific fact.
You willfully ignore scientific facts because they're inconvenient to you. You have no interest in finding the truth. You aren't interested in scientific facts which prove you wrong.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 24, 2013 12:12:21 GMT -5
Young's modulus is not a theory Bob, it's an established scientific law. The information I provided you with on the performance of steel in fire is not theoretical it is tried and tested scientific fact. You willfully ignore scientific facts because they're inconvenient to you. You have no interest in finding the truth. You aren't interested in scientific facts which prove you wrong. Thanks for your opinion, and what about 9/11 now (besides your lies, opinions, fabrications and theories)?
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Post by shred on Apr 24, 2013 19:39:13 GMT -5
I haven't lied. You on the other hand....
Anyway goodnight.
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Post by shred on Apr 25, 2013 4:40:17 GMT -5
More facts: Eutectoid and Eutectic components in Steel: As the diagram shows, above 730 degrees C a chemical change occurs in Steel, Pearlite Ferrite changes and becomes Austenite.The physical properties of which are very different to steel at room temperature. In the WTC's fireproofing systems were damaged and destroyed. Steel was heated to temperatures at which Austenite forms. It's strength decreased substantially. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MartensiteThe fires reversed the quenching process which had originally strengthened the steel structures, the structures lost their strength, they gave way under load.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 25, 2013 7:35:22 GMT -5
"Oh $%#$@ off. You sit in here, whine and cry because the facts are trumping your kook bulls**t "data", and your flailing about and lashing out. FACTS trump your bulls**t conspiracy theories, boy."
It's a new day and little Toshi reverts back to schoolboy rhetoric. For a minute there (actually one post), I thought you were ready to discuss something just like the grown-ups.
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Post by shred on Apr 25, 2013 9:30:50 GMT -5
For a minute there (actually one post), I thought you were ready to discuss something just like the grown-ups. I wish you'd discuss something like a grown up.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 25, 2013 10:07:09 GMT -5
For a minute there (actually one post), I thought you were ready to discuss something just like the grown-ups. I wish you'd discuss something like a grown up. Your idea of an adult discussion is lying, fabricating, name calling, denigrating experts, etc. I'm sorry but that's not my character, maybe when I was a child but that was a long, long time ago. I have grandchildren now who do things like that.
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Post by shred on Apr 25, 2013 10:09:29 GMT -5
NO my idea of an adult discussion is providing facts and evidence about how a building that an airliner was deliberately crashed into failed due to structural damage and fire.
These facts are inconvenient for you, but facts are facts. If you'd take off your blinkers you'd see the proverbial elephant in the room staring you in the face.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 25, 2013 10:13:57 GMT -5
NO my idea of an adult discussion is providing facts and evidence about how a building that an airliner was deliberately crashed into failed due to structural damage and fire. These facts are inconvenient for you, but facts are facts. If you'd take off your blinkers you'd see the proverbial elephant in the room staring you in the face. Whatever, I'm not interested in your drivel.
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Post by bob0627 on Apr 25, 2013 11:00:29 GMT -5
"Funny how boob fabricates "evidence" about 9/11"
Yup I confess, I created every single 9/11 video I posted on YouTube and here in my basement. I even personally helped create the 9/11 Commission Report and told them to publish it regardless that they claim they were lied to. Guilty as charged.
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